Talk:Xenia (Greek)

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Yes, they should be merged. Would it be more helpful if the bracketted section of the title read (Ritualised friendship in ancient Greece) or (Guest-friendship in ancient Greece)? The former is the heading used in the Oxford Classical Dictionary. Flounderer 12:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

They should certainly be merged. However, I'm against a long title in brakets, possibly just Xenia (Ancient Greece) and then let the article explain the rest? --Falcorian | Talk 16:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Xenos

Seems like it might be better split off now. Anyone have any opinions? I think I'll throw a split tag on it later if no one objects and see what people think. --Falcorian ^(talk) 15:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Split to Xenos (Greek). --Falcorian ^(talk) 22:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Lawrence of Greece?

Is there any similarity with the Bedouin concept of hospitality? Any relationship in its development? (As I understand it, because Bedouins are nomadic, a request for hospitality cannot be refused.) Omar Sharif 06:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

David Anthony, a scholar in Pontic-Steppe archaeology, claims in his book "The Horse, the Wheel and Language" that the Greek custom of Xenia may have had its origins among the so-called Proto-Indo-European tribes (which he associates with the Yamnaya culture), who were originally nomadic. He claims that such guest-host relationships were fundamental social institutions in a highly mobile society, where people would be constantly crossing territories occupied by others. I think this would be worth including in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.48.87.230 (talk) 22:05, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

agreed - as detailed in my comment below Drobbler (talk) 19:43, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

references

Should this be tagged for references? Can we get a more detailed citation for the Professor Lane Fox statement? RJFJR 18:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I can't provide one... Haven't heard of her. But yeah, references would be appropriate. --Falcorian ^(talk) 18:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Here's a link to some refs http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/magazine.aspx?lid=lit200902_p11&cid=302&ai=34285&WT.mc_id=DLRAct20090207&so=1 Seano1 (talk) 17:42, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Original Research

I added the "original research" template. It is not really an issue with what has been written so far, but a lecture is an unverifiable source. The article could use expanding as well. --151.201.149.209 (talk) 16:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The lectures that are mentioned on the references section are actually recorded lectures that are available to verify. I can try to locate the specific lectures on Xenia by Dr. Elizabeth Vandiver and cite them. If I can find sources for most of the information on this page can we remove the "original research" template? --User:SJAsk —Preceding undated comment added 15:55, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

This article copied from NationMaster?

The entire article looks like it was directly taken from NationMaster, if that helps at all. http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Xenia-(Greek) 68.228.95.48 (talk) 08:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, they copied us. From their site: "The Wikipedia article included on this page is licensed under the GFDL." --Falcorian ^(talk) 17:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge

Philoxenia is synonymous with Xenia, so I propose merging that article into this one (if any content in that article is useful).--Nikolaj Christensen (talk) 10:57, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

This article is currently hampered by a lack of clarity regarding what it is actually about. At the top of the page, before the lead it says, "This article is about the ancient Greek concept of hospitality. For other uses, see Xenia (disambiguation)." This would lead someone unfamiliar with the term to suppose that "the ancient Greek concept of hospitality" is called Xenia.
However, the lead starts, "Xenia...is the Greek word for "foreign" or "strange"/"stranger", or of foreign origin" and then explains that "the ancient Greek concept of hospitality" is called philoxenia.
These two things cannot be simultaneously true.

My - admittedly limited - Greek says that Xenos is the word for stranger, and philoxenia is the word for hospitality, so if the article is called Xenia, it should be about foreigners, strangers and things or people of foreign origin. But if the article is called Philoxenia it should be about, "the ancient Greek concept of hospitality". Within the article Philoxenia, it will be necessary to explain the derivation of the word so that philos means friend and xenos means stranger so philoxenia means stranger-friend which is often transliterated as guest-friend. Cottonshirtτ 09:36, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

The first paragraph is grammatically muddled, failing to distinguish between nouns and adjectives, and between the abstract noun xenia (the guest-host relationship; philoxenia is just a compound with phil-, "love, affection") and the word for "stranger, foreigner," which was xenos (feminine xena), and could be either a noun or an adjective. It needs to be cleared up by someone who does know ancient Greek. Cynwolfe (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

xenia, philoxenia. Hospitality and its norms are known and discussed under the name xenia, not philoxenia. I have gently corrected the lead on this. This should not be any obstacle to the merge, which I think should go forward. Wareh (talk) 23:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Confusing phrasing in "In the Iliad"

The following section is highly confusing, but I don't know enough to demystify it:

   Hector and Achilles meet in battle, but before attacking, the former asks the lineage of the latter.
   Glaucus tells his lineage, upon which Diomedes realizes their guest-friendship.

Is it Hector and Achilles who exchange lineages, or Glaucus and Diomedes, or neither, or both? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.190.117.7 (talk) 05:31, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Indo European root of the custom

A book elsewhere on Wikipedia - The Horse, The Wheel and Language by Anthony - details the historical custom which is identical to this Greek concept. I'm new to this, and not a specialist, so who can edit ? Drobbler (talk) 19:42, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

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