Talk:World championships in WWE

Longest reigns

@JDC808: Thanks so much for creating this page. Should we show both recognized and official in the table (here and in the women's and tag articles too), similar to regular championship articles?

Also should we in some way explain most multiple reigns like which championships make up Flair's 16? - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 13:19, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. I had thought about this since not long after the women's article was made and finally pulled the plug on creating it as like the women's and tag titles, there's been multiple world titles in WWE. We could potentially even create articles for secondary and tertiary championships, including cruiserweight/light heavyweight somewhere (maybe on tertiary).

In regard to showing recognized and official, perhaps. I just listed any discrepancies in the notes for now. We could possibly mention most multiple reigns somewhere (and could do that as well with the women's and tag title articles too). --JDC808 ♫ 20:29, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Makes sense. They make a big deal about Charlotte and Trish's reigns, and Billy Gunn/Kofi for tag - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 21:05, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Most reigns, longest held, WWE-recognised, etc.

Hi all,

The article seems to be based on firsthand research. WWE.com has several article listing "most reigns" etc. which doesn't include the ECW title, NXT title etc. as "world championships". For example; https://www.wwe.com/article/randy-orton-top-5-world-title-reigns

I think it best to go off WWE cited information, since there are a plethora of titles which are debatably "world" titles having been used in WWE over the years. From my reading of the articles on WWE.com, the only titles they currently recognise as World Championships when they're collating information are the WWE title, Universal title, World Heavyweight title, NWA title (until 1992) and WCW title.

BBX118 12:53, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

The ECW title is recognized as a world championship, there's no debate on that. That source you linked and sourced in the article here, none of them ever held the ECW title, or the NXT title for that matter (NXT's status is a bit wonky, the description for Drew McIntyre's reign says it is a world title, but because it hasn't been referred to as such since then, a discussion was had where it was decided not to call it a world title here until WWE more definitively refers to it as such).

I've also undid your edit because it added some controversial information about the NWA title. This article is "world championships in WWE", as in those that have actually been defended in and owned by WWE. WWE has never owned the NWA title. --JDC808 ♫ 00:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

numbering

Whenever there is a tie, whoever is underneath the crowd that is tied does not get the next number.

For example, if there are 10 people in a race, and three of them tie for 5th, the race standings would look like this:

• AAA - 1st
• BBB - 2nd
• CCC - 3rd
• DDD - 4th
• EEE - T5th
• FFF - T5th
• GGG - T5th
• HHH - 8th
• III - 9th
• JJJ - 10th

HHH would not be in 6th place, he would be in 8th. Same theory applies to this table.

There are 2 guys tied for 1st (Flair, Cena), the next 2 (HHH, Orton) are then tied for 3rd - should either HHH or RKO win another title, then they would have 3rd all to themselves, and the other would drop to 4th.

Simple math.

Vjmlhds (talk) 19:32, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

In what world is that simple math? Flair and Cena are tied for first, meaning they are both first as recognized by WWE (not some technicality of being 1st and 2nd), and then Triple H and Orton are tied for second, not tied for 3rd. They hold the same spot, not the spot below. By your account, if two people tied for a gold medal, they would both get gold, however, the guy you're calling third would get the bronze instead of silver, because he's third. It sounds dumb, but that's the interpretation of what you're saying. --JDC808 ♫ 20:42, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Here is the leaderboard from this past year's Masters - notice how they note ties...just saying. Vjmlhds (talk) 21:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I know this is months later, but the logic is not well explained, and it's not dumb. If there's a tie for first, the next person is indeed in third place because there are two people who have more than him. He's the third highest ranked person. So, yes, Trips would be 3rd, as would Randy, as they're in a tie. The next person below them is #5, because there are four guys with more titles. Does that make more sense? oknazevad (talk) 13:25, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Not really. A tie means two (or more) people are at the same level. The next guy would be a level below them, not two levels below them. But whatever. Although I disagree with it, I've accepted this is how it's gonna be done. JDC808 ♫ 07:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Longest combined reigns

is it possible to make a longest combined days as champ list? For example Bruno Sammartino's total of 4,040 days as WWE/F Champ would be number one Hulk Hogan's 2,185 days as WWE/F Champ + 1,177 days as WCW Champ for total 3,362 days would be number two And so forth

Have a minimum 500 days as champ as qualifying period

The only problem I can think of is all the sources would be other wikipedia articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.147.41.56 (talk) 09:58, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Adam Pearce

Should Adam Pearce be included as a World Champion? WWE doesn't always recognize outside world titles as world titles (Joe Gacy was named as CZW Champion, not CZW World Champion). Pearce video reads NWA Champion, while other wrestlers like Harley Race, Steamboat, Fujiname are listed as NWA World Heavyweight Champions. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:01, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

In fact, Jeff Jarrett should be added to the question. His WWE profile doesn't include the NWA title reign. Most sure, WWE doesn't recognized the NWA as a world title after, probably, 1994. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:03, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

WWE can be picky, but they do recognize it as a world title (the video saying NWA Champion is kinda meaningless), for example, when Sting debuted for WWE in 2014, they said he was a 2-time NWA World Champion (his second NWA title was won in TNA in 2006). --JDC808 ♫ 21:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

.Maybe a mistake by WWE. Other wrestlers, like Christian Cage, Jeff Jarrett AJ Styles aren't mentioned as former NWA Champions or World Champions. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:37, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

WWE doesn't recognize NWA Championship reigns when the title was contested during the TNA and the Lightning One Incorporated Eras of the title. Adam Pearce won all his NWA Championships after the TNA Era and before Lightning One Inc. Era so WWE recognizes the reigns albeit at a very diminished state. That's why wrestlers who won the NWA Championship during the TNA era are not recognized, also Sting being recognized a two time NWA Champion was most definitely a clerical mistake by WWE. 209.130.203.242 (talk) 06:17, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

NXT 2.0

Now that WWE has clearly re-designated NXT as a developmental brand/territory under the "2.0" banner, should those titles still be considered World Titles?

Now I know it wasn't that long ago I was advocating that they did get world title recognition due to WWE positioning it as a 3rd main brand, and the title being eligible for Royal Rumble winners - I fully get all of that.

But...things have now clearly changed since NXT was been rebooted/reimagined/realigned (however you want to say it) as a developmental brand in the NXT 2.0 era - specifically designed to prep wrestlers for the main roster (Raw/SD).

So before we go blowing up the article, I wanna get some feedback.

Thank you.

Vjmlhds (talk) 20:13, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Why are WCW/ECW reigns included when the article title is "World championships *IN* WWE?"

If the article title were "World championships *recognized* by WWE" or "World championships *owned* by WWE," I'd understand. But those title reigns occurred before those companies were owned by WWE, ergo those are not championship reigns in WWE.

Based on the current title, this page should be solely devoted to the WWE, WHC, and Universal championships (and possibly the WWECW and NXT championships). Either the title needs to change, or the WCW/ECW titles need to be removed. It makes no sense to include outside companies.

CMChuck (talk) 15:11, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

NXT

Despite being the developmental brand, NXT’s titles are considered world championships regardless if it’s developmental or not. They are considered WWE's top titles under the same banner. — 76.68.77.224 (talk) 00:55, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

An RFC was held here, the consensus of which is that it's not a world title. — Czello 08:16, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Can we include secondary titles?

Although this is about the World Championships in the WWE, can we include the histories of the Intercontinental, United States and North American titles? The IC title merged into the WHC in 2002, but revived in 2003. 184.144.90.69 (talk) 02:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@184.144.90.69 I didn't see your post here before I posted on your talk page, but as said at your talk page, this article is for world championships, not world championships AND secondary championships. In due time, an article for the secondary championships will be made. JDC808 ♫ 06:39, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

World Heavyweight Championship

Now that Seth Rollins is the new champion, you need to make a new page for the World Heavyweight Championship. Whether it's a new page or a continuation of the original, you gotta decide now. 2A02:C7E:562A:CC00:F575:A644:E911:A498 (talk) 20:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Does WWE actually consider these titles "World Titles"

The company traditionally never called its Heavyweight and Tag Team Championships "World titles" (this may have been a legacy of its years as an NWA member 1972-1983). What evidence is there that, say, the Universal Championship is a World title? 11:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC) Romomusicfan (talk) 11:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

In the case of the WWE Championship, it literally has been known as the WWE World Heavyweight Championship in the past, including on the belt itself. You are correct that they avoided explicitly using the word "world" (outside the name of the company including the word) during the 70s because of their NWA membership, but even then they were intentionally vague. As for the Universal title, check out that title's article for the sources. And they have collectively referred to them (along with both the 2002–2013 World Heavyweight Championship and Seth Rollins's current title) as world championships on a consistent basis. There's nothing particularly contentious about describing any of the four titles as world titles (other than fans complaints that the Universal and current WHC had no ability to even indirectly claim lineage from the original world title unlike pretty much every previous world title up to an including the TNA World Championship). oknazevad (talk) 13:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)