Talk:Westniederdeutsch

HSK 30.4

BTW: This had:

Herrgen, Joachim; Schmidt, Jürgen Erich (23 September 2019). Deutsch: Sprache und Raum - ein internationales Handbuch der Sprachvariation. ISBN 9783110261295.

• Actually, it's:

Sprache und Raum: Ein internationales Handbuch der Sprachvariation. Band 4: Deutsch. Herausgegeben von Joachim Herrgen, Jürgen Erich Schmidt. Unter Mitarbeit von Hanna Fischer und Brigitte Ganswindt. Volume 30.4 of Handbücher zur Sprach- und Kommunikationswissenschaft (Handbooks of Linguistics and Communication Science / Manuels de linguistique et des sciences de communication) (HSK). Berlin/Boston, 2019

More precisely it's probably:

Michael Elmentaler: Nordniederdeutsch, Ostfälisch, Westfälisch, Nordrheinmaasländisch. In: (the above), p. 550ff.

• And it has:

• p. 551: "[...] ist die Bedeutung der Dialektgrenze zwischen den westniederdeutschen und ostniederdeutschen Dialekten neuerdings auch [...] relativiert worden [...] (Lameli 2016)."
• p. 552: "Traditionell unterscheidet man im westniederdeutschen Raum drei größere Dialektlandschaften: Nordniederdeutsch ([...]), Ostfälisch ([...]) und Westfälisch ([...]). Hinzu kommt das Nordrheinmaasländische, das im Nordwesten Nordrhein-Westfalens sowie in [...] Limburg verwendet wird."

That is: it's giving the traditional terminology (well, more or less as there's also Nordrheinmaasländisch) and not Lameli's uncommon stuff.

--Naramaru (talk) 23:06, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Relativating the importance of the border between West Low German aka Low Saxon and East Low German is something I obviously support. Sarcelles (talk) 09:13, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Separate article needed?

Is a separate article for Lamli's uncommon Westniederdeutsch really needed?

• Lameli's uncommon classification is based on a single source: Lameli.
• Lameli's Westniederdeutsch can be included and covered in his Northern Low German.
• Lameli's Westniederdeutsch is a cover term for multiple varieties like Westmünsterländisch, Münsterländisch, Emsländisch: That can also be covered in articles like Low German, West Low German, Westphalian or, if there would be more information, in new separate and more specific articles like Westmünsterländisch, Münsterländisch, Emsländisch.

--11:42, 13 September 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.221.40.167 (talk)

Which source says those to be important varieties?

The source by Lameli is recognized. Sarcelles (talk) 15:52, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Is a separate article really needed? --21:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.221.40.167 (talk)

It is something else. Do you have a better scheme? Sarcelles (talk) 22:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Westniederdeutsch and nördliches Niederdeutsch are different things. But Westniederdeutsch is part of nördl. Niederdeutsch. And at least as it's only a stub like the current article Westniederdeutsch, Westniederdeutsch can without any problems be covered at nördliches Niederdeutsch. Or why is a separate article needed? --00:18, 16 September 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.221.40.167 (talk)