Talk:Washington University Student Union

Article tagged for deletion, notability, and original research

Before RedShiftPA gutted the article, it had 9 sources. Now it has 3. Someone please explain how deleting referenced corrects the WP:Original Research issue!

If the article needs improvement, then let's improve it. If it fails notability, then let's discuss which aspects fail. It has only been tagged since this month (not even 2 weeks), and now it has been essentially deleted, so course it will fail notability if it has little to say. If the article deserves deletion, then tag it for consideration. However, removing the majority of the article's material (along with references), creates the situations you have labeled without allowing debate, and I oppose that. The tag itself states: "Please help improve the article or discuss these issues on the talk page."

I suggest that the article be restored, and its problem areas given a chance to be discussed and reviewed. --Lmbstl (talk) 00:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

An ongoing discussion about this is taking place here: Talk:Washington_University_in_St._Louis#Student_Union_merge_proposal

All 9 of the sources you refer to were self published sources. Every single one was published from wither WSU or the Student Union itself. According to Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources (online and paper), self published sources "are largely not acceptable." They may be used sparingly, as long as "the article is not based primarily on such sources." This article was based entirely on self-published sources. As far as accusing me of "gutting" that article, I got rid of the [{WP:Original Research]] and organizational fluff. I only left the justifiable material.

I did tag the article with a PROD, which was contested. Now I am advocating a merge with the main article. This topic is not noteworthy enough for its own article. See Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). In general, an organization has notability "if it has been the subject of coverage in secondary sources." The Student Union of WSU doesn't have that. Therefore, it should be merged into the main article.--RedShiftPA (talk) 01:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment Perhaps if people knew that the very few people ever look at the article, [1], especially when compared to the main page [2], they might come to the conclusion that more people will actually read about the Union on the University's page. Paddy Simcox (talk) 01:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

An ongoing discussion about this is taking place here: Talk:Washington_University_in_St._Louis#Student_Union_merge_proposal --Lmbstl (talk) 05:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Reverting edits

I am reverting the edits made by RedShiftPA until a consensus is gained. There is reasonable concern that the edits were made in order to further a merge proposal without adequate debate, along with violation of DELETING, MAJOR CHANGES, Wikipedia:CONSENSUS, and PRESERVING INFORMATION. Discussion is taking place here: Talk:Washington_University_in_St._Louis#Student_Union_merge_proposal--Lmbstl (talk) 05:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Resources

This section lists valid information resources for use when this article is restored following proper debate and review. --Lmbstl (talk) 05:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Library archives

http://www.library.wustl.edu/units/spec/archives/guides/pdf/student-union.pdf

Media

http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/kmov_localnews_080219_gonzalesprotest.c7a3c2b.html

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2008/Feb/20080201News024.asp

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/0/f6b37ac324aec551862573c7001e98c8?OpenDocument&Click=

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/09/21/emory

University media

http://www.studlife.com/home/index.cfm?q=student+union&event=displaySearchResults&buttonPushed=1

http://www.studlife.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&ustory_id=012867e2-19e6-4c11-8827-14e9713bd7f2

http://media.www.studlife.com/media/storage/paper337/news/2007/02/07/News/Su.Aims.To.Rearrange.Exec.Board-2702334.shtml --Lmbstl (talk) 06:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

http://magazine.wustl.edu/Summer03/WUstudents.html

http://debate.wustl.edu/2000/students.html

http://magazine.wustl.edu/Summer03/WUstudents.html

http://law.wustl.edu/ClinicalEd/index.asp?ID=5425

http://faculty-staff.wustl.edu/wufacultybook/2007-faculty-information-brochure.pdf

Other

http://www.collegeprofiles.com/washu.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmbstl (talk • contribs) 05:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC) http://www.buddytv.com/articles/house/house-washington-university-fe-12905.aspx--Lmbstl (talk) 06:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)