Talk:Village School (Great Neck, New York)/Archive 1

Major edit

I've edited the article to remove some information. The personal relationships between staff at the school may be interesting to the people who go there, but it's not encyclopedic. Similarly, the entire trivia section is both unencyclopedic and unverifiable. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collector of information, and should only contain information that belongs in an encyclopedia. The list of staff at the school is perhaps borderline, but their personal relationships and personality quirks are definitely outside the scope of this encyclopedia. Feel free to add it to some external web page and link to that from here. Fagstein 19:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, the information on racial makeup of the school needs to be sourced. Fagstein 19:29, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

There are some articles at Wikipedia that actually contain a section called Trivia. I don't see anything wrong with it. I didn't say anything bad. (Oahc)

It's not a question of saying anything bad. It's a question of whether or not the information is notable. Little-known facts about major celebrities might be considered trivia worthy of mention in an encyclopedia article, but this school is on the edge of notability and trivia about its staff in my opinion doesn't quite fit. Take a look at WP:NOT for some ideas on what should and shouldn't be included in a Wikipedia article. Fagstein 08:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

drug pledge??

Should I mention the drug pledge? I know it doesn't mention on the site. Why don't you just call Steve (the school principal) up if you don't believe me? He can confirm it that they do have a drug pledge. It needs to be different other than the website. Right now it looks like a mirror site of the Village School site. I don't understand what's the point of creating schools on wikipedia. They have a site already...and we'll just copying everything from their site onto wikipedia. I'm gonna add the drug pledge in anyway. I bet someone is going to revert my edit as usual. (Reggin)

Please read WP:NOR for reasons why we don't publish original research on Wikipedia. Unless this information has been published by some reliable source, it will have to be removed. Fagstein 08:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Lonely?

I've reverted an anony edit again. Here's what the article says now:

The Village School is geared towards students whose needs cannot be met in the traditional school ...

That's pretty general. Here's the "lonely" version said:

The Village School is geared especially for lonely underachievers ...

The "lonely" part is based (per the edit summary) on this text, which occurs just a bit later in the article:

Students who may have felt lost and isolated in a large school often thrive in the smaller and more personalized setting of the Village School.

So, the change that I reverted (a) adds "especially"; (b) asserts that ALL students are lonely, even though the article (still) says "may have felt lost and isolated" (which implies that a lot of students MAY NOT have felt this way); and (c) adds "underachievers".

Please read WP:NOR and WP:V about why it is unacceptable to use your own words in a wikipedia article, as opposed to summarizing or rephrasing wording you find elsewhere. John Broughton | Talk 00:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

explanation for my recent edits....

The Village School is geared towards any student who would like to experience high school differently. This is a very neutral statement unlike the previous one. It's not restrictive. It's open to all students if they would like to come. You don't have to be recommended to go to the Village School. You just have to have an interest. Special education students belong in a special school, not an alternative school if they have difficulty with the traditional school.(209.177.21.6 - Talk)

You obviously have some personal knowledge of the school. May I remind you that the ONLY information that is acceptable to put into ANY article on wikipedia is verifiable information from reliable sources: WP:V and WP:RS? My understanding is that the language you changed came directly from school information, as cited in the article. If that is the case (I've not checked), then what you know or think or prefer is irrelevant. And if I'm wrong - that you do have a source for the changes you made - feel free to point that out, and I'll be happy to let the changes stand. John Broughton | Talk 00:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

article is copyviolation

The entire article copied almost everything from the site. It is supposed to be in your own words. (209.177.21.6 - Talk) (Special note: I, MrMacMan, took this from the user above's edit that deleted some of the content of this talk page, I have pasted it above.) MrMacMan 23:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. It is a well-sourced article. Although it uses many quotes from a brochure about the school, these quotes are properly cited. Rhobite 05:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Magnet schools?

I am going to add the category magnet schools in new york. It says in the infobox that village school is a magnet school. Village School attracts students from North and South. Magnet schools are alternative schools. If you don't agree, please revert my edit. Thanks. (RainingmySoul 20:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC))

I think your absolutely correct in this. It is a magnet school and such a categorization would be correct. MrMacMan 21:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Assessment

This article has been assessed following a request. The results of this are as follows: A good "Start" article with some length, references, an infobox and a picture. Needs to to be expanded to go into more detail - such as the creation of more detailed section on the school curriculum. I do also think that the splitting of the introduction section needs to be considered. Camaron1 | Chris 19:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

VS is not a special school.

The Village School is not a special school. The fact that they accept general education students proves that it is not a special school. How come the students at South High School or North High School always say that VS is for "retards"? Or for losers who want an easier way out. I think this stigma should stop. It's not nice...how would you feel if students at VS said that about South or North? I don't understand why people are so mean. (69.117.20.128 - talk)

i provided references for it

A wide variety of students attend Village School. All have at least average ability, some have exceptional learning abilities and artistic talents, while others have special educational needs. Check out this link: Village School There's my evidence...so I can put it in...just as long as there is references..(69.117.20.128 - talk)

You tried to do this same thing months and months ago! Please stop, Village school is for lots of different types of students, we get this... but is this really not 'reference-able'. MrMacMan ^Talk 05:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

What are you saying "please stop"? I provided additional information. What is your problem with my edit? I think it's important to provide it...some editor deleted the useful link. It has a lot of valuable information. Explain to me why you think it's a bad site. "Emphasis is placed on using computers as writing instruments, and each student is given a laptop computer to be used during the school year." That line is included in that site. So if you use that...then you definitely have to include the site.(69.117.20.128 - talk)

As I explained before, it is impossible for all members of a population to be "at least average". Please stop adding this - it conveys no useful information, and is merely copied from a handout. Rhobite 05:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Well in that case then this line "Emphasis is placed on using computers as writing instruments, and each student is given a laptop computer to be used during the school year" should be deleted since it is on that site right? (69.117.20.128 - talk)

references

where in the world does it say this "the school is one of the first alternative high schools in the United States". I cannot find it in the reference. therefore I am deleting it. (69.117.20.128 - talk)

What does Founder Arnie Langberg have to do with the Village School? Shouldn't he belong on the Alternative education article rather on this one? Whatever, I'm deleting it since it has nothing to do with the Village School. (69.117.20.128 - talk)

The "Recognition" section of [1] states that it is "one of the nation's oldest and most successful alternative schools". I don't see a reason to delete this statement. Rhobite 03:26, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

It already says that it is the nation's oldest and most successful alternative schools...on the article!!! You didn't respond to the second question. It's obviously b/c you can't find the source for the second one. Therefore it is deleted since it is unsourced.(209.177.21.6 - talk)

The source for that statement is the interview. Please re-read it, and stop deleting properly referenced information. Rhobite 23:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Response

I can't find the source on here: [2]. I tried looking for it, but I can't find it.... (209.177.21.6 - talk)

I see it on the page... little more than halfway down the page... here is the quote:

JERRY: I called you earlier today when I heard about this incredible tragedy because I was particularly interested on your take on it. I consider you one of the most important pioneers in the field of public alternative education, having started public alternative schools as long as 25 years ago.

ARNIE: Let's see, in 1970, the Great Neck Village School, so it's almost 30 thirty years now.

And its all on this page. I don't see how it can be better sourced... the quote is directly from that page. MrMacMan ^Talk 21:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

ooh....I see it now!!! That's so cool.....that the Village School was mentioned....who found this article? whoever found this was amazing! I googled Village School...and it doesn't take me here....that's so cool....They only mention Village School one time...(Jessica - talk)

Well, one time is enough for the quote. MrMacMan ^Talk 00:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

alternative high school

I changed the school type to alternative high school since that's what the website says. (Jessica - talk)

Actually I'll give this to you. You even edited the alternative high school article a while back to include a picture of village school. This is a good edit. MrMacMan ^Talk 02:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was speedy close, move request initiated by banned user, and there is clearly no consensus for the proposed change. Dekimasuよ! 01:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

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Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Support - as nominator. Here is the link for the correct name [3] and [4]. We can take off the redirect of Village School to The Village School. That school in Texas is referred as "The Village School". The one in Great Neck is referred to just "Village School". Here is the link [5]. It says "Welcome to Village School". It doesn't have "the" before. --Ladii artiste (talk) 23:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. To put it simply, there are way too many schools that share this name to move one to the primary name space. Likewise, there should not be any redirects but one or maybe more disambiguation pages. See Village School for a partial list of schools sharing this name. Great Neck Village School should be moved to the proper disambiguated name of Village School (Great Neck, New York). Vegaswikian (talk) 02:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
• Strong oppose This is why we disambiguate articles. It's not the only "Village School", nor is the only "The Village School". While I would prefer Village School (New York), I would have no opposition to either the current name or a move to Village School (Great Neck, New York). Alansohn (talk) 02:53, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. Shared by many, that's why we disambiguate. Gene Nygaard (talk) 13:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
• Strong oppose - for the very obvious reason that Great Neck is not the only place in the world that has a Village School. HeartofaDog (talk) 13:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Top importance

The first sentence states that it attracted national attention. Ylrebmik (talk) 23:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I have changed the importance rating to mid importance. There are defined guidelines on the importance ratings for schools within the schools' project:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools/Assessment#Importance_scale

Top importance schools have to be of international importance. All ratings of high and top importance also have be be posted on the Assessment page for review by the assessment team:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools/Assessment

This school does not have the alumni or notability to justify anything higher than a mid-importance rating. You can ask for a review from another member of the assessment team. Dahliarose (talk) 16:08, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

William A. Shine Great Neck South High School is mid-importance. Village School is much more important than Great Neck South. I think it should be high-importance. It is important milestone for alternative education. Elanaretaina (talk) 22:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I've reverted this article to mid importance and asked for a second opinion from the assessment team. Please don't change the settings until someone else from the assessment team has had a chance to look at the article. Dahliarose (talk) 09:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Dahlia, both of these accounts are User:Jessica Liao, who attended this school and who has been banned from Wikipedia for running dozens of socks. You can ignore the editor's comments. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I am assessing this article after a request at WP:WPSCH/A#R. I see this article has been having trouble with disruption from sock puppets. Despite a mass revert the article still needs a lot of work and I am demoting it to C-class. The lead is too long, it should summarise the article per WP:LEAD. The article needs a better structure, with less "directory" sections, these should be covered by the infobox, see WP:WPSCH/AG#S for more info. The article is still rather promotional in some places, and a higher variety of referencing would be good. Some copyleft images would also be nice too. The article does not currently merit higher than Mid-importance, it is definitely not Top-importance. Camaron · Christopher · talk 21:52, 14 December 2009 (UTC)