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Rock Chalk!

Here is the userbox for those of you that are an alum or current student. The code is {{User University of Kansas}}. Corkythehornetfan(talk) 23:33, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Misc

Latest comment: 10 years ago8 comments7 people in discussion

I've never edited anything on Wikipedia in my life, so I have no idea what I'm doing, but I just thought I'd mention that the Museum of Anthropology hasn't been open for several years. You can read the history of when it closed and the collection changed names at http://www.arcc.ku.edu/. Can someone who cares and is experienced at updating this stuff fix the KU article? Thanks! --Kim in Lawrence, KS

The article linked to by "Jayhawks" goes to a band from Minnesota. I don't know if we want to remove the link, or edit the Jayhawks page, but something should be done here. I'm just too lazy to do anything right now.  :-) --Jubydoo 08:40, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Did we obtain permission for the seal? I also suffer from laziness and I was going to contact KU for permission because I wanted to use the seal and I have also made a template with vital statistics based on the UNC Chapel Hill graphic. Can I go ahead with this?--Pocket Rockets 00:12, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It seems like most of the images of school seals are used under Fair use. --Amoore 08:56, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

What does anyone think about seperating out the history section and expanding it a bit. The history is rather complicated, but if someone who knew it could summarize some central points into a paragraph or two, we could expand the history section out.LH 01:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. I know a fair amount of the history, so once I actually have some free time, I'll get started. RedRollerskate 23:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

This article should probably contain some information about the steam whistle that is a major characteristic of the Lawrence campus http://www.kuhistory.com/proto/story.asp?id=58 --Amoore 08:56, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

This is maddening. We have a pretty good looking graphic but do you see where the words 'undergraduate' and 'graduate' are misaligned and not in bold like the others? Looking at the source, I can't see the word 'Enrollment' for one thing, and I cannot find ANY difference in the formatting of those two words. I tried changing the width of the graphic, I tried deleting and retyping the source, all to no avail. Can someone who knows something about editing take a look at this graphic and troubleshoot it? Please? It's making me crazy.--Pocket Rockets 01:31, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

It's a feature of the template infobox used for the university info. see Template:University information for the template, and the discussion page... the template is used only on four schools just now.... there is an alternate template which you can see an example of at Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities/example -- settings here Template:Infobox University which is linked to by MOST university pages. I suggest we switch from the one currently used to the other.... -- Rick Boatright 19:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

I propose a new list of "Notable Athle tes" or somesuch. Recently I have noticed in the "Distinguished Alumni" section a slippery slope where more and more athletes are being added to the list. Dana Stubblefield is one of my favorite players, but I am not sure he should be listed alongside Pulitzer Prize winners, great artists and scientists. Jim Ryun should remain where he is because he is also a Congressman. I don't want to do this unilaterally though.--Pocket Rockets 01:38, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I have a small request/suggestion. Could someone explain the meaning of "Rock Chalk"? Donna 8 April 2008

See Rock Chalk, Jayhawk. That should probably be linked somewhere in this article. Stardust8212 01:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I deleted the reference to Professor Guth's tweet (School of Journalism) since it was not an official stance of the School of Journalism, but was simply scandalous activity on the part of one of the professors there, on his own time. In other words, it's gossip. If Wikipedia is going to be a source for this kind of thing, I'm sure it will be quite possible to do the same favor for other institutions. Streamfortyseven (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Notable alumni

Latest comment: 16 years ago18 comments8 people in discussion

1. I would like to poll Wikipedians as to what should be the standard for inclusion in the "distinguished alumni" section. Does celebrity qualify a Jayhawk as a "distinguished alumnus"? If not then we should probably eliminate Scott Bakula, Don Johnson, and Dee Wallace Stone, as they have not been nominated for any significant awards that I am aware of. I like their work, but I think we need some semi-objective standard to keep from cheapening the list.

2. Someone keeps trying to slip Paul Rudd into this list, despite the fact he has never had a significant TV or film lead, much less any awards. Maybe it's Paul Rudd himself... On the other hand maybe I am wrong; please post whether you think he should be removed. Stewart Bailey is in the same category as far as I am concerned. Has he been recognized for his work? Is he famous?

3. Other Jayhawks who could possibly be removed include Brian Barker (researched and found that appx. 10% of the bar in England are considered "Queen's Counsel", hardly an astounding achievement), Richard Davis, Robert Kleist and Sara Paretsky.--Pocket Rockets 06:06, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

  • As far as I'm concerned, the standard for inclusion on this list should probably be that the person has (or is worthy of) a Wikipedia article about themselves. Maybe that's too broad - but if you look at other universities' pages this seems to be pretty much the norm. I'd rather have a list a little too inclusive here than take out something useful/notable. ESkog 13:49, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Well if it were up to me I would delete at least Paul Rudd, Stewart Bailey and Brian Barker. I see what you are saying about having an article about themselves, but Bob Dotson seems to have impeccable credentials yet he does not have a Wikipedia article. On the other hand Rudd has a Wikipedia article (which I would vote to delete btw), yet has done nothing remarkable in the performance arts as yet, IMO. My position is that if we are going to say someone is a "distinguished alumnus" then we should have a damn good reason for saying so. This list has people who have earned Pulitzer prizes and Tony awards and National Book Awards, discovered planets, entertained presidents, etc. If a Jayhawk gets a callback from a sitcom, does that entitle them to be listed alongside William Inge?--Pocket Rockets 05:48, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Those all sound reasonable to me. I'm a current student and didn't know any of the three are alumni (and only had even heard of Rudd). On the other hand, Scott Bakula and Don Johnson are pretty well-known alumni among current students. Not the greatest standard, I know, but I don't really know what objective standard would work better. ESkog 07:04, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Poking around other university sites it appears we might have another option - check out List of University of Southern California people, which is a comprehensive list of "notable" alumni, faculty, and students. This would allow us to be more inclusive without feeling like we're gumming up the main page with inconsequential people. ESkog 07:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • I am not an alumni and have nothing to do with this institution. In my opinion, the criteria for a list like this should be slightly broader than just "those who have an article". It would be better if it also included those who should have an article. However if it ends up more than half "red", then that might be too broad. Editors wanting to add more than that should go back and create some articles to turn the red links blue. -Willmcw 07:11, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  • I saw the UNC-Chapel Hill article and I thought it was just great--It has pictures of campus landmarks, school traditions, student life, etc. I wish I could contribute some of that. What would really help are photographs. I also checked out the link to USC above and it was very humbling. Still, one has to remember that USC is a much larger school, but I still can't help but think we are not doing justice to KU by this article.--Pocket Rockets 04:09, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Have digital camera, live at 6th and Lawrence, am on campus every day. There's no reason I couldn't get some good pictures for this. I'll see what I can do. ESkog | Talk 04:31, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Much as I like Bob Dole it appears from the bio here: [1] that he didn't actually graduate from KU "He attended the University of Kansas, Lawrence, entering in the fall of 1941. He received an A.B. and LL.B. from Washburn Municipal University in 1952." could anyone explain this to me? Stardust8212 23:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

He did not graduate from KU. A war got in the way. (ESkog)(Talk) 00:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Alumnus does not mean graduate. See our own article on alumnus or any dictionary, e.g. American Heritage: "A male graduate or former student of a school, college, or university." Bob Dole is a former student. Ergo, he is an alumnus. He is notable. Ergo, he is a notable alumnus. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, after I wrote that I remembered reading this same thing somewhere before, and then looked it up, and then felt really dumb, and then read your comment. Oh well, maybe this time I'll remember, feeling stupid has that effect on me. Stardust8212 00:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
A lot of people think "alumnus" means "graduate." This came up in another university article some time ago. At the time I wasn't 100% certain myself until I looked it up. Then the issue came up in another article. Then another. Then another. So this time around I was a bit brusque. I didn't mean to make you "feel stupid." Dpbsmith (talk) 01:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Not your fault, as I said, I already felt pretty dumb for mentioning it even before seeing your response. My brain is just working slower than my fingers today. Stardust8212 02:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone verify the honorary alumni status of Donald J. Hall, Sr.? It was my understanding that KU doesn't award honorary degrees.--75.75.6.110 02:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe Paul Rudd, star of such films as Cluesless (where he is featured in KU apparel), 40 Year Old Virgin, and Knocked Up (again, in KU apparel) is notable, and has been continuously recognized by University entities, such as the Theatre & Film Department, that he corresponds with. Additionally, Don Johnson, is not just a KU alumnus, but a donor and has had oversight in the Theatre & Film Department. 129.237.151.211 (talk) 21:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Notable Alumni List split from main article

Split this section from main article. Unsure how to synchronize updates via WiKUpedia clone ... by geoWIZard 24.124.112.230 24.124.112.230 (talk) 22:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Athletics section

Latest comment: 18 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Is it becoming too bloated? Can/should we summarize here and fork off into Athletics at the University of Kansas or something like that? ESkog 07:18, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Actually I think the ideal solution would be to flesh out the academic side of the article; it does look a bit lopsided. I would not be opposed to an athletic-specific article though. Maybe we just need a basketball-specific article and provide a link to it in the main article under the section header and then a little sketch? Kind of like they do in the Atlantic Hurricane Season articles.--Pocket Rockets 04:09, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
  • I've split it off as I mentioned - let me know what you think. Let's see what we can do with the academic side of things here. Since I'm local, I don't really have good perspective on what's notable and what's local. ESkog | Talk 07:01, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Coming from an Oklahoma State fan you Guys have an awesome basketball team. Keep up the good recruiting so we can keep the rivalry going! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.137.72.249 (talk • contribs) 01:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Translation of School Seal

We need cite what language the seal is written in, small detail, but maybe important.

Why "KU"?

I know Kentucky has UK as well, but how did the University of Kansas come to reverse its initials?

Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I have added a few pictures of KU that I took last spring. Try to add more pictures. I will also take a few pictures and add them tomorrow.--Vidyashankara 03:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Improved Description of Medical Center

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I felt the description of the Medical Center was nice, but terribly incomplete. It didn't make sense to me to mention particular degree programs (Audiology, Medicine, Nursing, Pharmacology, for example) without any mention of the Med Center academic structure or the many, many other degree programs available. KUMC is comprised of 4 main schools: School of Medicine, School of Nursing, School of Allied Health, and School of Graduate Studies. Each school offers a wide variety of degree granting programs. I think it makes much more sense to describe this structure, rather than throwing out a random spattering of specific degrees. The degrees one may earn within each school seems implicit to me (PhD = Grad Studies, MD = Med School, BSN = School of Nursing, Audiology/Med Tech/PT = School of AH, etc...). Any thoughts? Mrmb6b02 15:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

My name is Jarrod, and I'm with a group creating WiKUpedia, a community specific wiki with the goal to help KU students (past, present, and future) learn what life is really like at the university. I think we already have pretty solid information about student senate and student fees that aren't available anywhere else online, but I know that the project is still in very preliminary stage of what we hope it can achieve. We are in the process of forming the WiKUpedia Project student organization and any suggestions would be very welcome. Feel free to reach my on my talk page either here or at WiKUpedia.

I would love to put a link to the wiki as an additional resource for readers to look at when they are looking for information about the University of Kansas. Do you think this is an appropriate link to add to external references?

--Jarrodm (talk) 07:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Latest comment: 16 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

AT 18:53, 12 April 2008, User:ElKevbo deleted the link to WiKUpedia, saying that Wikipedia is not a directory of links, and citing WP:EL. However, WP:EL says that linking to articles that provide relevant information that is too detailed to be included in the article is allowed. WiKUpedia provides detailed information about life at the University of Kansas and can't be included in a single Wikipedia article (thus the need for an entire site devoted to the subject).

WP:EL also says that linking to another wiki is allowed if it is stable and often-edited. WiKUpedia just received a $1,000 investment from the student media fund to support its continued existence, so the stability is not an issue. And at last count, WiKUpedia had more than 150 registered editors after only a semester of existence. There is no reason why a link to this resource containing more information shouldn't be included on this page.--JackConnor1 (talk) 06:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Fixed link to updated wiki. Jayhawk wikipedians, please feel free to take a look! Jarrodm (talk) 14:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

new template

Latest comment: 16 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I quickly made a new template for the University of Kansas (below). It needs a lot of work so come on and help make it better. Remember (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Just a few comments. I would take out the KU link next to academics since the template's title links to the same article. For athletics, I would put in a "Coaches" section. Also, are there any article here yet about traditions at KU? Here's the template that Texas Tech uses. You can take a look at it for some ideas, but you've covered most things already. Looks good! →Wordbuilder (talk) 19:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

KU History

Latest comment: 10 years ago14 comments5 people in discussion

This is my first edit to wikipedia, and I'd like to suggest the addition of a KU History section- there are a lot of potentially interesting inclusions here (invention of basketball, intense political strife during 70s and the burning of the student union, etc) 75.34.55.197 (talk) 08:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)John K, Lawrence, Feb 11th, 2009

Agreed. For examples on what to strive for, take a look at the university articles which are FA. So far, two Big 12 schools have made the list. →Wordbuilder (talk) 14:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
The more the better, don't be afraid to add content. Should be noted that KU did not invent basketball, so probably should take that one off your list ;-) Ryan2845 (talk) 17:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I am changing the founding date from 1865 to 1866. I simply can't find any support for the 1865 date. The KU website states: "Opened in 1866, the University of Kansas is a comprehensive educational and research institution..."[2] Likewise, the Griffin History of the University (linked on KU's website) begins: "WHEN the University of Kansas opened on September 12, 1866..." The enabling acts were passed by the legislature in 1863 and 1864, but I think they were conditional. If someone knows something otherwise, post it here. -Kgwo1972 (talk) 20:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
The seal itself was created in 1866, so maybe the creator simply put the previous year as the year of establishment, even tho the charter when through a few years earlier? Or maybe it references the year construction began? Not sure. Either way "established" certainly has a different meaning than "opened" so I think if the seal says 1865, then that's what the page should go with.Ryan2845 (talk) 21:15, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd disagree about deferring to the seal. It's actually disproven by the factual record. I can see arguing for 1864 or 1866 as the "established" date (depending on how Wikipedia defines "established"), but not for 1865. A fuller narrative history on the page would clear up some of this for the reader. -Kgwo1972 (talk) 21:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that's up to wikipedia editors to change the claimed establishment date of a university. If the university uses 1865, then that's what we use too. Ryan2845 (talk) 21:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know about that: I did some work on University of Santiago de Compostela. That institution says it was founded in 1495 in all its literature, but wikipedia says 1526 based on the historical record. I'll look into this a bit more. -Kgwo1972 (talk) 21:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I firmly beleive that wiki should reflect what is claimed by the university, rather than a couple papers that have been uploaded on the internet, regardless of the source/quality. At this point changing it would amount original research since none of ths ources explicitly say "the university was established in 1866". Anyway, one of the papers you cited states "first meeting of the regents on March 21, 1865, had been elected chancellor and ex-officio president of the board of regents", so maybe the university considers the first meeting of the regents as the establishment date? Ryan2845 (talk) 21:37, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Ryan2845, I posted this issue here, to hopefully be resolved: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities. Please add your comments. Thanks. -Kgwo1972 (talk) 22:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I've added my main points. I'm going to undo the change on here until a consensus has been made that it is inaccurate. Ryan2845 (talk) 00:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
KU was the site of massive student protests during the 1960's. I lived in Sunflower house in the late 70's, a living co-op that had

bullet holes from that time, and some of the older people in the house remembered those years. Things were serious enough they had a vote whether to end the 1970(??) semester early. The student union burned. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/apr/20/1970-memories-violence-city-still-strong/ When I was at KU the upper floor of Summerfield Hall was unoccupied because of bomb damage. This seems like something worth including. Somebody has made an amazing map of sites near here. https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=102263681958099113409.0004845cfae7ce6e03c0c&source=embed&ll=38.958192,-95.239341&spn=0.018759,0.0209&dg=feature I'm reluctant to suggest somebody else should do this, but not sure I'm qualified to write this myself. Anniepoo (talk) 07:07, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

kansas football

Was there ever a kansas football game played at Haskell. As a kid, I seem to remember going to a game in 1962-1964 at Haskell. I noticed that repairs were made to Memorial Stadium in 1964, so I thought it might have happened that year.

Big 12 WikiProject

Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I'm trying to gauge the interested in created a Big 12 WikiProject and wondering who would like to be involved. There are already pages for WikiProject Big Ten and WikiProject ACC. A Big 12 project would cover the schools themselves and anything to do with conference sports including: events, rivalries, teams, seasons, championships and lore. There is already quite a bit of activity here on Wikipedia regarding the Big 12, and I think a project could help coordinate and unify our efforts. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Big 12 if you are interested, and add your name to the list. Grey Wanderer (talk) 00:19, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

KU Info

Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I heard this story on NPR yesterday and I noticed that it is not mentioned in the encyclopedia. Should this article include something about the service? —Ost (talk) 14:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Founded in 1866?

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

When the seal says 1865? Hmmm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.128.250 (talk) 06:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Potter Lake

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Potter Lake was named after W.M. Potter:

• Sbmeirow • Talk • 23:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Flagship or not?

Latest comment: 5 years ago6 comments5 people in discussion

A recent change to the page removed the reference to KU as Kansas' flagship university. This was reverted after a reversion to the previous state of the page. Thoughts on whether it ought to remain or not? --Rekleov (talk) 19:44, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Flagship university currently states “The phrase flagship institution or flagship university is often used with reference to state university systems in the United States, which often comprise numerous separate and distinct degree-granting institutions. ... An example is the University of California at Berkeley.” The University of Kansas is unlike the University of Califonia system, which includes several universities with their own distinct identity such as UCLA, UCSD, and UCSC. As stated in university system, “A university system should not be confused with a multiple-campus university. A university system contains several universities. A multiple-campus university is a single university that has more than one campus.” The University of Kansas is a single university, and is not ‘flagship’ unless additional criteria exists, in which case this information should be included and explained in the flagship article. The elephant (talk) 00:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Yo, Elephant: enough with the flagship revisions. What axe are you grinding? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rekleov (talk • contribs) 18:51, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

This came up again with a peacock claim being made and the tag removed. Here's some more information. In addition to a recent edit's reference to KU having the largest enrollment, endowment and research portfolio; and highest ranking etc., it has also been referenced as the flagship by Kansas State University's president:

"A friendly rivalry: Schulz said he was glad that state’s Board of Regents is recognizing that each of the state’s six state universities should be treated a little differently. He said that Kansas University, a member of the Association of American Universities and the state’s flagship school, had different needs and a different culture than Kansas State, a land-grant institution." Lawrence Journal-World, Jan. 26, 2012

It is also commonly referred to as such by the Chronicle for Higher Education, such as in this article entitled "20 years later: How one flagship has changed."

I hope this information is helpful in justifying restoring the flagship reference. Jtmartin (talk) 00:27, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Recently, Governor-elect Laura Kelly referred to KU as "our flagship university" [1] Though I work at KU, I am a K-State alum...I am not attempting to edit the page. Just sharing what I recently read. Cameronpiercy (talk) 16:26, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Totally just personal perception here, but I would say most people over in Missouri consider KU a/the flagship institution. Grey Wanderer (talk) 00:30, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Gov.-elect Kelly aware of state's higher education issues, but they're not likely to top her agenda". LJWorld.com. Retrieved 2019-01-02.

Kenneth A. Spencer

Latest comment: 10 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

It would be useful to include more informaion about the above; the holdings of the Kenneth Spencer Research Library are mentioned in several other articles.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 18:50, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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Is Kris Kobach really an alumnus or faculty member?

Latest comment: 6 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

If so, there doesn't seem to be anything in his Wikipedia article about it, and a quick web search doesn't seem to show anything about this either. Ghostofnemo (talk) 06:17, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

"Burton and Elmer V. McCollum Residence Hall." listed at Redirects for discussion

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