Talk:Transnistria/Economy

Discussion regarding paragraph 1:

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Transnistria has an open economy based on free market principles. Following a large scale privatization process, most of the companies in Transnistria are now privately owned. The economy is export-oriented and based on a mix of heavy industry and manufacturing.

What is an export oriented economy? What other countries are export oriented? Who states that Transnistria is an open economy? Who states that Transnistria is a free market?Dl.goe

My hint: Export oriented economy mean an important part of revenues are from smugling.--MariusM 18:11, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Please. I thought that we were past that. EUBAM has been on the border for a year now, and there are no serious signs of any significant smuggling activity. - Mauco 02:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

So, to get back on track - Export oriented means: Transnistria trades with nearly 100 countries. The second largest textile company in Europe is located in Transnistria. Sells to Quelle, Aldi, etc. One of the largest steel companies in Europe is there, and among the most modern in the world. Listed by Lloyds of London. These are heavy, serious businesses. They do not exist to cater to a market of 500,000 low income people. Open economy and free market principles: Click on the wikilinks, read what the descriptions say, and then use common sense to decide if that applies or not to accurately describe Transnistria in the econony section of this article. - Mauco 02:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I've looked at Economy of the United States but I haven't seen any terms like export -oriented,free market or open market; maybe Transnistria has a better economy than USA...

I cannot Click on the wikilinks, read what the descriptions say, and then use common sense to decide if that applies or not to accurately describe Transnistria in the econony section of this article.. Not because I do not have common sense, but because

1. No criteria to decide which countries have open market, free market and export oriented economy are provided in this articles.
2. I do not have information about the economy of Transnistria.
3. it would surely be a judgement, and not an objective statement.

Dl.goe 08:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

You are admitting that you have no information about the economy of Transnistria, so please do not remove the edits made by those of us who actually DO know about this subject matter. - Mauco 13:17, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

you can provide sources? Pernambuco 16:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I can always defend all of my edits and I will give you sources for all of the above. - Mauco 01:42, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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"Transnistria has an open economy"

This sentence gives absolutely no information to the readers, as all countries now have open economies. :-) bogdan 12:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I guess it's there to contrast the Transnistrian economy with socialist economics. Or, perhaps it's there, mentioning the obvious, because with all the "black hole of Europe" "information" circulating, people may be lead to believe that it's all shadow economy or no economy at all.

Aha! Am admin! :-) --Illythr 13:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Bogdan, you forgot a space and a "the" in the Companies subsection. ;-) --Illythr 13:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. bogdan 13:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW, is it protected because of Diana? I noticed that it took much longer for someone block this incarnation of Bonaparte. It seems that it takes more for a girl to be blocked. :-) bogdan 13:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I just noticed the feminine touch. - Mauco 13:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

"The economy is export-oriented"

Really? I though export-oriented economies are countries like Japan, Germany, China and the rest. I doubt that Transnistria even has a positive balance of payments. bogdan 13:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, it is all relative to the size of the place, of course. But let us put it this way: the companies in Transnistria (be it energy, steel, textiles, or Kvint) are certainly not geared to the domestic market. They have large markets in Germany, CIS and the United States. There is a semi-permanent trade representation in Germany, which covers the EU. And it was no coincidence that EUBAM arrived in 2005, or that the move in March by Moldova & Ukraine came in the form of tighter customs regulations. It was (and is) widely believed that without exports, PMR dies. - Mauco 13:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I against of inclusion in the article "open economy" POV. There is no reliable evidence to even suggest that. EvilAlex 22:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Er, did you read the open economy article? Or at least bogdan's post above? --Illythr 22:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Aaaa.. Illythr you still angry that Romania joined European Union. Take a rest, Wikipedia could negatively affect your health. Best regards.. EvilAlex 23:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Let us keep the personal comments to a minimum, shall we? If the econmy is open and export oriented, then we can say so. If it is closed and doesn't export, we say that. It all depends on what the facts are, and of course to the extent that we can source these facts. I thought it was so obvious (to anyone with a knowledge of the situation), but if anyone wants sources, I will be glad to provide them. For instance a report by the European Union which says that Transnistria has "a very open economy with a high degree of trade with the EU and the US." It was written in 2005 by a Moldovan who works for the EU in Brussels. - Mauco 00:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

It always the same with you Mauco, you want us to believe in your words. How about some sources? I mean reliable one (not Tiraspol Times of course). You can give us a source which says that Transnisria has "open economy", well in this case i could find a source which will say that Transnistria have a shadow and black economy. EvilAlex 12:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

And it is always the same with you, EvilAlex: You want to question and revert every single edit, even the basic ones that are obvious to everyone else. The article currently says: "Transnistria has a capitalist mixed economy" with links to the definition. It is sort of like saying: "Transnistria has snow in the winter" ... it is very, very easy for anyone to verify. Of course, if you want those official European Union sources, I will gladly give them to you. You can download the information straight from their server in Brussels and verify the export information for yourself. - Mauco 14:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

"I will..., i glad.., i..., i..., I am the almighty Mauco believe me, me and only me..." EvilAlex 16:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

he has offered you a source, do you want it? if he gives a source, then it is not him that says it, it is the European Union, why do you make fun of that, you can either say that you agree or you can say that you want his sources, but the tone that you set here is not nice, and how would you like it if we start to behave that way with you......... Pernambuco 21:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but this is a person who has a history of belittling others and of never contributing a single positive edit to the Transnistria page (at least not one which wasn't reverted right away). - Mauco 13:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Discussion regarding paragraph 2:

The extreme worsening of economic situaton of ordinary people in Transnistria was in November 2006 the subject of an open letter of one of the founders and ideologists of Transnistrian Republic, author of the first PMR constitution, Vasily Yakovlev. In his letter he is asking penal persecution for PMR president Igor Smirnov and is calling for unity with the working people of Moldova.[1]