Talk:Tonic sol-fa

Tonic Sol-Fa: Inaccurate, misleading and inadecuate strategy for reading music

Tonic sol-fa is a music reading strategy that can only be used to teach basic notions to non-musicians who will nmajor in this field. Individuals with

Not nearly as inaccurate, misleading and inadecuate (sic) as the foregoing anonymous snippy snippet. --Haruo (talk) 03:58, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

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What is the etymology of "fa"? This needs to be included.Curb Chain (talk) 11:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

An example of normal recent usage?

I think it would be extremely useful to have an example of recent (i.e. post-Crimean-War) British tonic sol-fa notation of the sort actually used in many published songbooks, Welsh (and East African) hymnals, etc. --Haruo (talk) 03:57, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

A Columbia University oral history interview from 1981 of Dr. Maurice L. Perlzweig has a little bit about this on page 1-25: (He calls it tonic sonafar)

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/libraries/inside/ccoh_assets/ccoh_4074305_transcript.pdf

This was about 1910 when the song HaTikvah was first published

What actually happened was that the publisher at the time — a man called Masin -- had a great demand for this, and asked for the thing to be done in a popular way. What he did was to write it out,— it was a melody that had been sung for years before that, he didn't invent it, nor did the Sephardic Synagogue — he wrote It out, and he put under it the Hebrew words, and it was translated into English, and he put under it, under the Hebrew words, the English words, a poetess who was well known at the time.

Then he wanted something that apparently only I could supply.

As it was for popular use, he wanted a type of musical notation which was taught in the English schools at the time — I don't know whether It’s still taught — that is to say tonic sonafar.

This is a type of notation in which the notes go Do by the letter D, and Re by the letter A and so on, and the Intervals for the length of the notes were indicated by commas and full stops and so on.

Too much credited to Kodaly

Kodály did not invent tonic sol-fa; state that he did is simply incorrect. Any standard reference (e.g. ) will clearly explain that it was developed by Curwen, based on Glover.

Kodaly also did not invent the hand signs. Curwen had a full system of hand signs. the Kodaly method adopted this entirely from Curwen, though some of the individual signs are different.

Furthermore, as the Wikipedia article "Kodály Method" makes clear, the Kodály method was developed at Kodály's instigation, but the actual development and elaboration of the pedagogical method was accomplished by his disciples.

Tonic sol-fa notation uses its own system of rhythmic notation, which ought to be explained in this article, and which was NOT carried over into the Kodály method.

It is a major misreprentation to identify tonic sol-fa with the moveable-do solfège of the Kodály method. Tonic sol-fa uses moveable-do solfège as one of its components; it was responsible for popularizing moveable-do solfège, but it was neither the first nor the only development it this direction.

72.76.14.184 (talk) 19:15, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

References

Distinction

It's unclear how this differs from the do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do system most of us learned in elementary school (which has no te or sol in it). If they're the same thing, then that's really unclear from this article.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  01:43, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: E100 - Spring 2022

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 25 January 2022 and 31 May 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Bellablaetter (article contribs).

Hello!

For my English project, I have to edit and/oror add to a Wikipedia page, and this is the one that I have chosen! I'm pretty sure it's recommended to tell the talk page what I plan to change and/or add, so that's what this is. I found a piece of writing (possibly considered a short book) written by the beloved Sol-faist John Curwen. It goes into a lot of detail about the notation and teaching of Tonic sol-fa. I won't go into the teaching method, but I was planning on adding to, and perhaps changing a little bit, the current notation section on this Wikipedia page.

I haven't gone through the act of citing the source yet (even though I know it is a simple task), but once I do, I will add it to the list of references on the actual Wikipedia page, and I will edit this post and add it on here too.

Bellablaetter (talk) 20:25, 2 May 2022 (UTC)