Talk:Tocharians/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Misleading Etymology Section

The etymology section is quite misleading. It mentions how the word "Tocharian" is based on Tokharistan, and that their inhabitants spoke Bactrian, but it failed to mention that the people, the Yuezhi, who Tokharistan was named after, originally spoke a Tocharian language before the migration of the Great Gara to Bactria. When I first read this article, I thought "Tokharoi" was based off of a completely Iranic term, but actually the people for which it was named after were Tocharian themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.187.118 (talk) 03:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

It is accurate that the name assigned by Müller and Sieg and Siegling is now generally considered a misnomer. What the Yuezhi spoke before they migrated to Bactria is a matter of conjecture, as there is no record of their language before the Bactrian texts. Kanguole 08:00, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Genetics still missing!

A genetics chapter is still missing, understandable because genes do not talk. Up to now there is no convincing genetic evidence linking the writers of the earliest Tocharian texts to the finds allegedly being Tocharian in the Tarim basin, let alone around Ürümqi.HJHolm (talk) 06:17, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

There seems to be no reason to have a genetics section in this article. The genetics of the Tarim mummies is covered in Tarim mummies#Genetic studies and this article points out that any connection between the mummies and Tocharian speakers is speculation. Unless some genetic evidence from the ancient Tocharian-speaking cities is published, there's nothing more to say. Kanguole 11:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Exactly this information clears the situation and definitely belongs into the text which I dare to insert!2A02:8108:9640:AC3:7C71:C463:E77A:18A2 (talk) 07:59, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

No, the lack of a Genetics section is due to the lack of genetic analyses from the ancient Tocharian-speaking cities, just like any other the article on an ancient population. That is the only way any relationship with the Tarim mummies could be established. Kanguole 08:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Manichaeism

The Arzhang (Middle Persian: Ārdahang; Persian: ارژنگ, romanized: Aržang/Arzhang; Coptic: Eikōn; Parthian: dw bwngʾhyg [dō bunɣāhīg], meaning "Worthy"), also known as the Book of Pictures, was one of the holy books of Manichaeism. It was written and illustrated by its prophet, Mani, in Syriac, with later reproductions written in Sogdian. It was unique as a sacred text in that it contained numerous pictures designed to portray Manichaean cosmogony, which were regarded as integral to the text.The original Arzhang illustrated by Mani has been lost and its exact content is unknown. However, it is known that its illustrations were of appreciable quality, and copies were preserved in the Middle East as late as 1092 AD, when it is recorded that the library of Ghazni held a copy. Since the discovery of Manichaean artwork during the German Turfan expeditions, scholars began piecing together the style of the Arzhang and reassessed the influence of Manichaean art in genera (पाटलिपुत्रMitrayasna (talk) 16:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Possibly. Do you have a reference + quotes for this? पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 18:01, 15 August 2022 (UTC)