Talk:Tik Tok (song)/Archive 2

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Julie Brown

New debate has arisen about the inclusion of parodies in this article. I included a section about two high profile parodies, which was quickly taken down. I was given a list of what was wrong with my addition, which was deeply flawed if not entirely inaccurate. This discussion took place on my talk page and is copied in it's entirety here. 02:02, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

"The song was also parodied by comedian Julie Brown in her single "Another Drunk Chick", from her album "Smell the Glamour", 62 63, which has lyrics like "Last night took home a dude who needed some Binaca/when he had an orgasm, he sounded like Chewbacca."

Okay, this sentence has alot of issues.

1. Red Links
2. Bad Grammar "which has lyrics like" is not a proper sentence.
3. Please read WP:MOS. Do not insert refs the way you have as they are not correct.
4. "which has lyrics like "Last night took home a dude who needed some Binaca/when he had an orgasm, he sounded like Chewbacca." :.... This sentence violates WP:OR.
5. This parody is not notable enough to be included. Ive found no coverage of it, not all parodies warrant a mention, this is the :case here.

Please be aware that Tik Tok is a "Good Article" and good articles are some of Wikipedia's best work. All issues above :violate goods article criteria. Until you can fix all of these and are fully aware or WP:MOS and WP:GA please do not add :it again. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 23:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Here's a refutation of your laundry list of things that are wrong with my addition to this article; to wit, everything you've said is completely wrong in every possible way.

• Red Links - adding material to an article that contains a 'red link' is not cause for deletion of the addition. A red link, as you know, simply means that an article to the linked topic has not yet been created. There is no policy that states you cannot add content to an article that contains a red link.

First of all, that violates WP:CHRYSTAL as they may never get pages. So its a violation. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me -

• Bad Grammar - well, you're just patently incorrect here. There is nothing grammatically incorrect about the phrase "which has lyrics like". I'm not sure what makes you think that there is, but there isn't. In this instance 'like' means 'such as'. "This salad has ingredients like lettuce and croutons." "This bicycle has parts like pedals and a seat." "The song has lyrics like (such and such)". It is 100% grammatically correct.

Unfortunately i am correct. And it violated WP:OR as you cannot take quotes from the song without a source of a reviewer. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me -

• If I've made a mistaken in regards to MOS, this is not grounds for complete removal of the material. Wikipedia:Be bold - don't remove my content entirely, correct my error.

Sorry but im not here to clean up after you, i dont mean that in a rude way but add it correctly in the first place, according to you you have been here for 5 years, you should know better by now. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me -

• Quoting lyrics is not original research. Lyrics are considered common knowledge, which negates original research. "The sky is blue" is not original research simply because the writer might have looked up at the sky and noticed the fact. Please learn the difference between OR and FS.

Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability. Main criteria " (a) it provides references to all sources of information in the section(s) dedicated to the attribution of these sources according to the guide to layout; (b) it provides in-line citations from reliable sources for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines;[2] and (c) it contains no original research."........... If you State ""The sky is blue" it violates WP:OR and Wikipedia:Verifiability - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me -

• Julie Brown is an award winning actress, screenwriter and recording artist with an illustrious 25 year long career. A song itself does not have to meet notability requirements if the artist DOES meet notability requirements, which Julie Brown does.

Sorry, no it doesnt. Cause the song fails WP:NSONG. Britney spears could sing it and it wouldnt be notable unless it got dozens of news coverage and charted. Julie Borwn parody didnt. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me -

If you are so obsessed with keeping the article 'Good' then I suggest you revise your policy of complete deletion of relevant, notable information and instead focus on correcting errors and then sending a private note to the original contributor letting them know of the corrections so that they can improve in the future. Complete removal is not acceptable, and your reasons do not pass muster. CouplandForever (talk) 00:00, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

My Statements are factual and for the reasons stated above it is not to be added. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 00:13, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to have to ask for outside intervention because you're just blathering nonsense and are just undeniably, patently wrong with every single thing that you type. The policy you sited RE: 'red links' has nothing to do with the situation, it has to do with adding links to future events that may not even occur. You clearly must not speak English fluently because there was nothing grammatically incorrect in my sentence, and for you to even argue otherwise is literally ignorant. The WP:NSONG policy applies to adding entire pages based on a song, not to adding content ABOUT a song into a relevant article. CouplandForever (talk) 01:53, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Watch your mouth, say one more thing along the lines of "You clearly must not speak English fluently" or "because you're just blathering nonsense and are just undeniably, patently wrong with every single thing that you type" and you will be reported for WP:UNCIVIL. Just so you are aware i was born in British Columbia Canada (English being the native language). And second your simply mad because your wrong. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 02:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Coupland can you actually state in what ways is the song you're referring to a parody? Does it has the same melody with humerous lyrics? has it recieved coverage and mention as a Tik Tok parody? ---- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 (Talk 2Me) 02:06, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

It has no coverage, ive searched google news nothing came up and it didnt chart. not notable. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 02:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

If any article or review points out that it is an answer song, reply or parody of Tik Tok it is notable for one sentance mention. (see Sweet Dreams by Beyonce). However if it is merely someone feeling like the song sounds like Tik Tok then its most certainly not notable. ---- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 (Talk 2Me) 02:24, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

There is no coverage what so ever on it. If you google the song all you get is Itunes and Amazon releases. No reviews, no mentions. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 02:29, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Then I am in agreement, its not notable. ---- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 (Talk 2Me) 02:31, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Since this debate the song has picked up tons of critical comment from publications such as Radar Magazine, The Examiner and Edge San Francisco. It has been discussed throughout the media and a google search brings back 636,000 results. There are more than enough credible references to warrant a one sentence inclusion in the article. CouplandForever (talk) 17:52, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Succession boxes

There is a discussion going on at WT:CHARTS#Remove succession boxes (and continued on the talk page at section Succession boxes) regarding the need of these boxes in articles for #1 songs and albums. So far, there are few arguing in favor of them, but further input is encouraged to reach a consensus. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 21:56, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Vocal Range

The article states her vocal range in the song as going from D3 to D5. That is correct according to the source, but I'm fairly certain the song only goes down to D4, the D above middle C. D3 is very low for any female vocalist. Can someone check this?

Kruncha (talk) 23:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)Kruncha

I think its so low because of the amount of auto-tone, makes her voice seem very deep in certain parts when its much higher live. The source says d3-d5 so we cannot state anything else or its WP:OR. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 23:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

south korean`sales

tik tok was the best selling international single in south korea it sold 1,400,000 copies during 2010 source:http://www.gaonchart.co.kr/main/section/total/2010.list.gaon i hope you put it into the chart performance section .. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.82.206.171 (talk) 02:41, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for being so polite first off, secondly i cant find it anywhere in the source that youve linked, sure you gave the correct one? Also, im not sure if that source meets WP:RS. I'll look into it, thanks. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 02:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

It is there (you have to select "국외"). But, we need someone who knows Korean to verify what it is, and Gaon is reliable. – Novice7 (talk) 05:46, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I used google chrome because that programme has the opcion of translate korean to english , i guess that can help. hope it works

Awards

The song won the Acum Most Played foreign Song Award 2010 in February 28, 2011. Here is the Link: http://www.acum.org.il/english/updates

(ACUM is administering the Copyrights of authors, composers, lyricists, poets, arrangers and music publishers and is a member of CISAC (International Confederation of Societies of Authors and Composers), and of BIEM (International Bureau of Societies administering Mechanical Rights).

How can I add this to the TIK TOK page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.114.180.50 (talk) 14:20, 1 March 2011 (UTC)