Talk:Sylvia Massy/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: MrLinkinPark333 (talk · contribs) 21:35, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for submitting this article for a Good Article review. An initial glance through this article shows many statements that are unsourced in Sections 6 - 9 (RadioStar Studios, Artwork, Educator, and Current Status). Of these four paragraphs, all of the Educator section is unreferenced while RadioStar and Current Status have long statements without any references. As these unreferenced paragraphs are the main issues, I considered quickfailing this review as it has a lot of statements where citations are needed per immediate failures criteria #3. Also, I have checked the last edit this article was made before it was nominated and have learnt that these sections had the same problem as of March 2019. Reviewing this article as of September 2019, I see that unsourced sentences have been added to the educator and current status paragraphs by an IP address. Instead of quickfailling due to the unreferenced statements in sections 6 to 9, I decided to look at the lead and sections before Radiostar studios (sections #1 - 5) to determine whether there were any additional issues.

Lead

• Massy's 2010-01-01 Mixonline source does not state Undertow went double platinum. New source needed.

History

• Discogs is unreliable per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Sources#Unreliable_sources and needs to be replaced with another source to show Massy was a producer, mixer and engineer on the Rat Music for Rat People, Vol. 3 CD.
• New source needed for the Verbal Abuse sentence as this is cited to Discogs, and per above needs to be replaced.
• Megan Perry's book doesn't say how many projects she worked with Exodus.
• The CD Presents Facebook page doesn't say the Sea Hags recording was for an independent album, nor describes Kirk Hammett as a "young guitarist"
• Mentioning the Sea Hags recording was soon after the Master of Puppets recording for Hammett seems unneeded, as it's not talking about Massy. Also unsourced.
• New source is needed to replace the Discogs source that shows Massy was a producer of the song "Television, Drug Of A Nation" for the Beatnigs.

From Green Jellö to Tool

• Los Angeles Times does not back up Massay met Green Jello, where the band were from, or that she worked at Larrabee Sound and Zoo Records. The only mention to Green Jello in the citation was that Massay said she was part of a record called "Green Jello". However, it does not specify which type of album it was (independent/studio).
• Songfacts is not reliable per WikiProject Albums. A new source is needed as well to show Massay's contribution to the Cereal Killer album.
  • Also, the sentence needs to be reworded to focus on Massay, and not mention "Three Little Pigs", Keenan and Carey.
• DavidJohn Farinella's book doesn't mention she was a part of Opiate for Tool, only Undertow.

Los Angeles and Larrabee Sound

• Source needed to show she recorded for Aerosmith, Babyface, Big Daddy Kane, Bobby Brown, Seal and Paula Abdul. These artists do not appear in the AllMusic or Mixonline source.
  • Ryuichi Sakamoto is included in the AllMusic source, but needs to be cited.
• Love it Loud doesn't mention Kurfist owned Radioactive Records (the current archive link is dead. I checked this version).
• Source needed for Massey working with Rubin at Larrabee Sound.

Sound City

• This section does not seem to be connected to Massy as it talks about how artists supposedly used her equipment during their recordings. Of the listed artists, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Smashing Pumpkins, and the Black Crowes are not mentioned at all at the Soundcitystudios source. This source also does not verified any of the claims nor connect Massay with any of these artists. I recommend removing this entire section, as it doesn't show Massy worked at Sound City.

Rubin and beyond

• Need a source that states she collaborated with Rubin one more than one record at American Recordings. Massy's 2010-01-03 Mixonline source only talks about Johnny Cash.
• Need a source that shows Unchained received the Grammy award for Best Country Album. Yes, it's in the previous Mixonline source, but this claim I feel would need to be backed up with a secondary source, not a self published source.
• Jeff Forlenza's Mixonline source does not talk about Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Slayer, Donovan, Geto Boys, the Black Crowes, or Danzig.
  • Forlena's source also doesn't say she recorded System of a Down with Rubin. The only mention of Rubin in Forlenza's source is that she worked on other albums before working with Rubin.
• No source for producing with Red Hot Chili Peppers and Sevendust.
• The Ultimate Guitar Archive source doesn't mention Massay produced with Powerman 5000 (see live link here)
  • Mentioning Rob Zombie did guest vocals isn't needed, as it's not talking about Massay.
• Need a source for Malachi Throne production.
• The UCSF source needs either an additional or different source to show that the recordings with Pauley P. were indeed recorded with Massy. The source shows a plan for it, but doesn't confirm whether they actually were held or not.
• New source needed to confirm the mixing of "Tibetan Freedom Concert" Beastie Boys to replace the Discogs source.
  • Source needed for collobartion with Adam Yauch and Pat McCarthy for this song.
  • Minor grammar. "In 1997" needs a comma after the year.

Overall:

Without taking an indepth review of the RadioStar Studios, Artwork, Educator, and Current Status sections, I've found that there are many parts where there are no citations to back up the statement, the citation given does not back up the sentence and sources that need replacement according to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Sources#Unreliable_sources. If I include the obvious unsourced statements from RadioStar Studios onwards, I feel that this article is nowhere close to passing criteria #2 Verifiable with no original research. Specifically, this article is failing 2b as many sentences do not have any citations while some citations are not from reliable sources. Alternatively, criteria #2c is also being failed as it contains sentences that are not backed up by the accompanying citations and therefore contains no original research. Usually, I would place any articles I review on hold for a week to allow nominators to make improvements to this article. However, as this article is a long way from passing criteria #2 Verifiable, I will have to fail this article. This article needs a throughout check to satisfy verifibiliaty while also rechecking that each sentence that is backed with an accompanying sentence is also 100% accurate. While I have not taken an indepth review of sections 6-9, a thorough check for the remaining sections is also needed to satisfy reliablity as well. Once these unsourced and unconfirmed statements have been addressed throughout the entire 10 sections, I think this article would have a much better chance if it was renominated. I hope this review encourages you to keep working on this article and resolve these issues in this review. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:35, 7 September 2019 (UTC)