Talk:Sugar sand

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I would like to have added to this discussion the fact that the submerged beaches of western Kansas (and likely western Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Eastern Colorado) from the Ogalala formation often contain sugar sand as well, as is shown by water driller's logs from the area. 129.237.141.17 (talk) 15:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Original research?

Sugar sand, found in some areas of the Eastern United States, is a fine silt made up of ultrafine mineral sand mixed with a large percentage of organic granules. Because of its lightness it can easily form quicksand in hollows. Even when dry, sugar sand tends to be too light to support motor vehicles. The name "Sugar Sand" is used in New Jersey, Florida and the Cape Fear region of North Carolina. The term is also used to describe the sand on beaches in southwestern Michigan, which resembles grains of commercial sugar in size and purity.

 – Coconutporkpie (talk) 23:04, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

What this page is

A set index article? A disambiguation page? What is this and what should become of it? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:43, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

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Conversion to disambiguation

I see that this subject has come up before. Now, looking at the page history, the original intent of the article was to cover the cultural sugar sand of the Pine Barrens, but there are other unrelated uses. Primarily, several localities refer to their sand as sugar sand (generally not notable) because it is very fine and white and resembles commercial refined table sugar.

In contrast, the calcite of the sugar sand of the Greenhorn formation has a yellow-brown tinge and for all the world resembles unrefined brown sugar, but larger grains than beach sugar sand.

My suggestion is to restore the original page intent and content of the cultural Pine Barrens sugar sand to its own article, Sugar sand (Pine Barrens), move the citations to the main articles (if they haven't been already), and fully conform this page to a disambiguation.

I can't find any real use of the term "sugar sand" as an alternative name for baseball rubbing mud, only a few references to Pine Barrens sugar sand being a component of the traditional rubbing mud, so, IMO, that fact only belongs in the article about the Pine Barrens sand.

IveGoneAway (talk) 14:51, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I acknowledge that "sugar sand" is a driller's term for some beds in the Ogallala Aquifer, and can be a pain for well maintenance, but I question notability. The material of the Sandhills of Nebraska is commonly called sugar sand, but I have never actually stopped to look.

IveGoneAway (talk) 15:30, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

The move of content to Maple syrup was rejected. Should a sugar sand section be added to Maple sugar (although sugar sand is a factor in both general processes) or should there be a Sugar sand (maple sap production)?

IveGoneAway (talk) 15:56, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't warrant its own section in either maple article. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:05, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: OK, thank you; but, you ambiguous about whether there should be an article Sugar sand (maple sap production) or no link at all from the maple articles. There is a tiny stub for calcium malate, and I would have to say that maple sugar sand is a more notable topic than the present content of calcium malate. Moreover, formation of and removal of "calcium malate" is a critical to the production of both maple syrup and maple sugar. The holistic process of formation the precipitate is an interesting lesson in organic chemistry. However, I am concerned that sugar sand may be an archaic term in the maple syrup industry, and would need to confirm its status. The archaic use of sugar sand as a slowly soluble abrasive is curious compared to less soluble calcium carbonate (Comet). IveGoneAway (talk) 02:16, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

If you find there is sufficient sourcing to support an independent sugar sand article, I would have no objection to linking to that from either maple article. I have not myself done the research to determine that. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:34, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

OK, I see in your last edit to Maple syrup, you removed the link to sugar sand, which is fine. So there just needs to be a sugar sand disambiguation of a least four items. Do you have thoughts on restoring the original Pine Barrens content and intent with the citations to Sugar sand (Pine Barrens). I think @Bkonrad:'s issue is that either the use of References or the earlier versions where it tried to be three different subjects in one article makes it not a disambiguation. I could have called for a split, but individually, each subject can have an issue with notability. I had forgotten that sugar sand was such a pain for irrigation systems, maybe the approach should be to create a broad topic Sugar sand (geology) that can also link to notable deposits, but that runs the issue of being jargon, since sugar sand is a common term widely used, but with no formal English or international definition. IveGoneAway (talk) 11:55, 3 September 2019 (UTC) 12:23, 3 September 2019 (UTC)