Talk:Steam trap

Webpage w/ many types of steam traps

I found a pretty good online article describing how different types of steam traps work and what the advantages and disadvantages are.

I don't have time to incorporate the different types into Wikipedia right now, but the webpage answered the questions I had about how they work so I put it here incase anyone else has time to read over it more.--VegKilla 23:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Have there been any changes to the site since this post? I really don't mean to offend anybody (especially since I myself am not a member of the community), I just think that this site still has big potential e.g. when it comes to pictures/media and advantages/disadvantages. With respect; if you want to inform your readers from a NPOV, you will have to do it yourselves rather than simply linking to external sites of engineering companies.

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The page linked above incorrectly uses the same picture as an example for three different thermostatic traps. This is confusing for those who don't know the differences. It also throws up an advertising window when I visited it.

Take a look at this web page Steam Traps and Steam Trapping. It's from a commercial organisation but the content is presented in a very matter of fact style. All the main trap types are covered as well as an intro explaining the benefits of their use. Individual sections on each trap type include some clear graphics showing the main features and principles of operation.--GMSS 16:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Webpage steam traps

I would like to add a link to the site http://www.delta-industries.com/system.html as the site mentioned above only discusses mechanical, thermostatic and thermodynamic type steam traps. Venturi orifice steam traps work on a very different principle and therefore the link adds value to another type of steam trap. DeltaIndustries (talk) 09:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Request for Third Opinion

A request for a third opinion on the external link(s) in this article was filed earlier today, but you guys should your thoughts here first. The talkpage, not edit summaries, should be used for resolving disputes, although there doesn't seem to be much of one as there have only been seven edits in the past month. So let's get the ball rolling! ~ Amory (u • t • c) 02:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The discussion was had at my talk page User_talk:User_A1#Webpage steam traps -- I have reproduced it here for good measure User A1 (talk) 07:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Webpage steam traps

I would like to add a link to the Steam Traps entry from the site http://www.delta-industries.com/system.html (Link broken) as the site mentioned at the bottom of the current link only discusses mechanical, thermostatic and thermodynamic type steam traps. Venturi orifice steam traps work on a very different principle and therefore the link adds value to another type of steam trap. Also the Wikipedia entry on steam traps discusses venturi orifice type traps so a reference link is surely applicable?

We are not trying to advertise anything, just create awareness and help understanding of the various types of steam traps.

DeltaIndustries (talk) 09:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for taking the time to bring this up on my talk page. The best way to do this would be to edit the page to include the information directly into the article, rather than to link off-site. One of the reasons wiki works so well is that information can be freely shared distributed and otherwise modified by the reader. A good way of including that content would be to use these articles that you have listed as references, using the methods outlined at WP:CITE. A peer reviewed source, such as might be found in a library would of course be the best possible source, if such things are readily available. Thanks User A1 (talk) 10:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

So if the content is already on the page and it is sufficient do you have any objections to us adding a link to relevant websites that would give further information? Often when I have used Wikipedia I have found these links useful in getting other important information.DeltaIndustries (talk) 17:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:EL and WP:COI have extensive discourses on the appropriate actions to take in these cases. I would suggest that currently the article of steam traps contains very little information on the subject. Commercial websites do not satisfy Wikipedia:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided items 5, 14, and possibly 17 as well as WP:COI, all of which may well apply here. It would be better to link to university tutorials, direct highly technical papers (with no advertising, such as journal papers). User A1 (talk) 00:55, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

External Links

Stop removing this hyperlink! It details in diagrammatic form how the thermodynamic variety of steam traps operate - http://www.clam.com.au/Y2NpZD0xJmNhaWQ9ODImYWlkPSZjcmM9MTQ1NjQ4NjA2?file=/files/clam_catalogue_Part28.pdf. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.151.99.160 (talk) 13:30, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

I am confused why the External Links have been edited to point to PDFs. Surely HTML and Flash are preferable to PDFs (this is the web - for printed matter, lets use books or the library). My opinion is the Spriax and TLV links removed a few weeks ago are preferable to the current 2 PDF links. Jyouki (talk) 07:49, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Please read the above section, where this is dealt with -- specifically follow the links to the policy pages. If you have any subsequent queries, I will do my best to answer them. User A1 (talk) 12:17, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I am also confused as to why the Steam Traps and Steam Trapping link keeps being removed. Regarding the policy document User A1 refers to, this page is not a commercial page selling products or services. It is a page containing technical articles that is within a commercial website. These technical articles make no attempt to sell anything to the reader. They do, however, contain a wealth of information for readers to review in more detail than the original wikipedia page.FesterSXS (talk) 15:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

The page sells products and services. Lets be clear, there is a big link at the top right of that page saying "products and services". I suspsect that there may be some WP:SOCK going on here. User A1 (talk)

The PAGE does not sell anything - the tutorials I am trying to link to are part of a much larger SITE in which, yes, there is a section for Products and Services. But we are talking about the PAGE here, the content of which is directly relevant to the topic in hand. As for your SOCK accusation. I have been trying to maintain this link for some time as an anonymous user but have finally got round to creating a Wikipedia account, yesterday in fact. I am not trying to pass myself off as a sympathetic bystander, and I dont appreciate the implication.FesterSXS (talk) 08:47, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I apologise if you are attempting to perform good works. However, that page is very clearly on the do-not-link side of what should be linked; the page itself might not accept your credit card details, but most of their links will. Now, there are processes for bringing this up with someone else, if you believe that I am misjudging this, so I will point to WP:3O (apologies for all the acryonyms), where you can obtain a third opinion. User A1 (talk) 13:26, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I tried to follow the external link 'Steam Trap Types - US Department of Energy Federal Energy Management Program' to http://www1.eere.energy.gov/femp/operations_maintenance/om_sttypes.html and found that the page no longer is there. Merek (talk) 00:25, 17 June 2012 (UTC)