Talk:Spanish training ship Juan Sebastián de Elcano/Archive 1

Archive 1

Elcano vs. de Elcano

Can anyone explain why, in the article, the schooner is referred to sometimes as the "Elcano" and sometimes as the "de Elcano"? When the schooner visited Norfolk, VA, many years ago it was always referred to as the "Juan Sebastian de Elcano." cwb 70.161.208.216 13:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

The ship is named after a person. The 'de' exists because People, especially nobility, were often referred to as where they were from. There are two locations called Elcano (one in Guipuzcoa and one in Navarro), so somewhere along the lines of his family, someone could have been from there. It is more likely, however, that after he gained recognition for circumnavigating the worlds and the King granted him a coat of arms, the 'de' was added as a form of prestige. It's kind of like "Mary, Queen of Scotts". 'De' can mean of, or from, or belonging to. It is also used to designate a relationship, like wife of, or widow of.... Using de in a name isn't as common as it used to be in the past. Nevermind, this person is one and the same. The ship, according to the web-site of the Spanish Armada, does have the 'de' in her name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teresasuarez (talk • contribs) 16:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

The name of the ship is whatever is registered and it seems its official name is "Juan Sebastián de Elcano" so that is the end of that matter. The article should be renamed accordingly. Another matter is why the 16th century navigator is referred to by variations of the name. At that time ortography was not standardized as it is today and people signed their names with variations. Elcano was no different and mostly he used "de elcano" but also "elcano", which was the name he inherited from his father. This concerns the person, not the ship. Today we see similar confusion with politician Maria Dolores Cospedal who is sometimes erroneously referred to as "De Cospedal". GS3 (talk) 18:46, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Better late than never. User:Teresasuarez and User:GS3 are quite right - and the Spanish Navy website is clear that "de Elcano" is official. Moved now. Davidships (talk) 02:46, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

References

Moving WP:OR to talk

Depositing this seemingly WP:OR material here.

The oil painting of El Cano was done by famed naval artist, Gerard Richardson, in 1952 and hangs in the Autry Family Art Collection. Photo of the oil is courtesy of H. Allen Autry, Sr. The artist Gerard Richardson also did the large oil of Heavenly Mist which hung in the John Kennedy White House.

If sources are found and cited, please insert material relevant to Juan Sebastián Elcano back to the article. Toddstreat1 20:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Design

The Spanish technical data states that the ship was designed and constructed by the Spanish firm Echevarrieta y Larrinaga, and that only the sail plan and rigging was designed by the English firm of Nicholson. This article states that the hull was designed by Nicholson. Can anybody clarify this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.170.198.158 (talk) 21:03, 31 May 2015 (UTC)