Talk:Sonny Rollins/Archive 1

Archive 1

Compositional acumen

Though he is not well-known as a composer, several of his tunes (including "St. Thomas", "Oleo", "Alfie's Theme", and "Airegin") have become standards.

This incorrect remark must have been wrote by somebody not entirely au fait with jazz. Sonny Rollins' is well renowned for his compositional skills, which have produced many standards, such as 'Airegin', 'Doxy', 'Oleo', 'Blue Seven', 'St. Thomas' et cetera. As a result, I feel this needs to be changed--Knucmo2 22:18, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

GA Re-Review and In-line citations

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copyright vio Biography

The entire text of the album review that had temporarily replaced the Biography section is from http://www.tedkurland.com/pbuild/linkbuilder.cfm?selection=doc.112 - in case anyone needs documentation to justify its removal. - Special-T 13:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Unjustified Reverts

There have been two reverts of reference to Rollins' nickname in the past 24 hrs. It is bad practice to revert without explanation. For external references to the nickname, see [1] and [2] and the title of Rollins' own lp "Newk's Time". AllyD 11:08, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I meant to only change two aspects of your edit: 1. the edit to the opening sentence - his nickname is not something that needs to be in the lead sentence of the article, and putting it there made the sentence clunky; and 2. it is 'Ira Gitler', not 'Ira Gilter'. I did not notice the 'Newk' reference later in the article and inadvertently reverted that also. - Special-T 18:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, just to be clear though, that it wasn't me who had added that edit. Seeing the succession of edits and reverts and the original editor's comment "no explanation given for reversion of useful information" I thought it better pulled onto the Talk page. Probably better to find a way to embrace and extend the added text rather than revert? AllyD 19:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, changing an existing valid spelling (Rollins') to another (Rollins's) that a particular editor prefers is against the manual of style - Special-T 18:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Untitled

I removed the following for vagueness and bias. Tuf-Kat

Sonny's improvisation skills are known to the world as some of the most unique, talented and innovational improvisation styles ever. His great song, St. Thomas remains a favorite of jazz lovers worldwide.

I think this page needs a section about thematic improvisation, or at least evolution of his style. Though I love jazz I am not technically (musically) adept enough to do this myself.GolumTR 12:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

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Are links to say a discography site appropriate to add?

Delisted GA

Article is quite short, and on top of that there is not a single citation inline.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 06:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

West Indian heritage

Isn't he of West Indian or Caribbean-American heritage. WHy isn't this mentioned? Dogru144 (talk) 13:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Sonny Rollins and narcotics

"You've been expanding this section today. Any chance of adding some references - for example on the extent to which a lifestyle-recovery was unusual at that time (relative to others - say Coltrane?) and Rollins own fears? Otherwise the paragraph is open to Citation-required notices...As indeed I see another editor just did! " AllyD (talk) 18:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

be my guest . . . if the newest Wiki policies on verboten links make sense to you; me, no. but there's plenty written about Mr. SR's position. I'm not a scholar nor an educated fan. I'd mostly hoped Wiki might not continue to be used to obscure politically unpopular facts, ie., the point that that SR was sucessfully treated using a reviled therapy... using a medication which remains the only somatic assistance offered to opiate addicts, a mediaction which remains actively suppressed and/or illegal everywhere 'punitive' still wins out over 'harm reduction' models of our addictive society. .. the medication now known everywhere as Methadone. historical or romantic patent names such as "Dolophine" more properly belong elsewhere, in relevant pharmacetical-history discussions.

but what do I know? my hopes have been proved wrong in the past &any interest I had in the Wiki process is all been burned away on a political, Big $cience issue where a curiously relentless editor with nothing but time pursued unilateral filibuster against the majority of an entire community's interest in the work of the dissenter's more famous colleague. The individual's agression was disruptive enough that the available Wiki mediator in this dispute simply quit - leaving the issue sucessfully "mediated" as far as Wiki is concerned, but unresolved in every sense. To this day this community's former articles on unknown, pioneering astronomers of today (including Halton Arp) remain hijacked- slanted and subject to instant unilateral 24/7 revert whenever they challenge this one editor's [or his funder's] version of the status quo. That the status quo represents world-wide investments in speculative technologies as well as thousands of careers and academic reputations rather than the ideals of testable Science is the more distressing [3] . but this failed process has educated well at least one article-community, &dispersed the gathered expertise off to more serious endeavors. So go for it. I agree a reference to Parker, Coltrane, Miles et al. regards heroin seems due. I'm outa here, me & Bird gotta better things to doHilarleo (talk) 01:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

"Early days" photo

Including a photo of gray-haired Rollins in the "Early days" section isn't ideal. Anyone have something better we can use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.254.214.171 (talk) 00:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

A Note form the Jazz History Database

Dear Wikipedia Community Members,

My name is Professor Richard Falco and I am Director of Jazz Studies at Worcester Polytechnic Institute (a college in Worcester, MA). I am currently serving in the position of Jazz Historian for the Massachusetts Association for Jazz education. Both organizations are non-profit groups.

Recently, I had a work study student post several links on the Wikipedia web site for artists who have been added to our jazz history database. It appears that the postings have been removed, as they may have been perceived as self-promoting or commercial in nature.

Our site is ad-free and non-profit - filled with thousands of photos, articles, audio and video recordings related to the History of Jazz. It is my obligation to oversee the jazzhistorydatabase.com web site for the non-profit educational organization, the Massachusetts Association for Jazz Education.

The link postings (which are now removed) were made by my student on behalf of the Massachusetts Association for Jazz education.

I understand completely the need for careful content consideration on the part of Wikipedia.

In the case of our web site, I feel we should be allowed the opportunity to have these links reposted, as they are of great value to the world-wide jazz community and jazz researchers and are unique in content. Our materials are in no way redundant to what appears on the Wikipedia site currently.
Our web address: http://www.JazzHistoryDatabase.com

Please advise me on how to have these postings reinstated. I’m hoping that there may be a way on your part to simply allow them to be public, rather than have to spend the time to have my student to repost every link.

Thank you in advance for your consideration.

Sincerely,

Richard Falco
Jazz Historian, MAJE
Massachusetts Association for Jazz Education
Director of Jazz Studies
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester, MA 01609
508 831-5794

Jazzhistorydatabase (talk) 18:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)