Talk:Snuff (tobacco)/Archive 1

References would be appreciated & needed for credibility.

Particularly in the "moments in history section".

Merger?

There is already an article called Snus, dealing practically with the same topic. Merger? --Camptown 12:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't really think so, they are consumed differently, if any should be, it should be Dipping tobacco. J.P.Lon 01:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Nasal snuff and snus/dipping tobacco are very different products. The terminology does cause some confusion, but merging the articles doesn't make sense.74.8.112.195 21:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Of course not.

It would be like putting information about Volvo and Saab in the same article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.211.204.55 (talk) 20:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Stupid idea

Don't suggest a merge just because you don't understand the difference! 81.179.107.98 04:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. Is this merger discussion still needed? I would have thought this would be a No, would it not? J.P.Lon 16:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Definitely do not merge. Nasal snuff has nothing to do with snus or American-style oral snuff other than having similar names. 206.61.187.98 21:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Usage

The article doesnt't say how it's taken until about 2/3 of the way down, I think this should probably be further up. I'm not an expert so could someone put that info in? 128.240.229.67 12:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

it also fails to illustrate the point of taking snuff. is it just for the taste or does it give you a buzz? 71.232.62.13 08:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Exactly, what is the point of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.94.143 (talk) 06:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Omissions

The article does not mention the point of snuff, the effects on health nor its usage decline since the early 1900s. I visited the page merely to find out why it declined and whether the was a link with its affect on health. I live in the UK and there is a recent ban on smoking in public places. I was wondering if this would lead to the uptake of snuff as a legal way for people to maintain their nicotine intake.

I have tried and like snuff from Nigeria. It takes the edge off It clears your sinus its great for headaches and PMS and it makes my husband and I very horney. My mother-in-law has sniffed snuff since she was 16 and now she is 87 her mother died at 102 and snuffed until she died. They have no disease's or problems as far health is concerned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.129.23.139 (talk) 04:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Move to snuff

This article should be moved to snuff, since this is by far the most common meaning of the term. I've already moved the dabpage to snuff (disambiguation), but I want a minimum of consensus before trying to move this article. Snus is legal also in spain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Byrus1 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Peter ^Isotalo 08:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

(Non-native speaker here.) I've checked the first 15 Whatlinkshere pages to Snuff, and all of them are talking about either tobacco, the product "snuff" and "snuff"-boxes. If all of those meanings refer to tobacco, then I'd say you should move this page on the basis of primary meaning. – sgeureka ^t•c 12:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Health Effects?

Why is there mention of the health effects of dry snuff? 66.191.19.217 21:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps because you didn't add any? :) --NightMonkey (talk) 23:08, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

The first claim under "Health Effects" implies that snuff use alone causes an increased risk of cancer. The cited source refers to smokeless tobacco products in general, and does not make the claim that snuff use alone produces an increased risk of cancer. The phrasing used is misleading and should be removed, or edited to better reflect the cited source. - 59.101.51.7 (talk) 06:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

snuff club

ok whats up with the fight club reference? that deff needs to get removed. 67.171.94.163 04:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Finnish Snuff

Finnish Snuff - called Snus - is moist, NOT dry, so you need to modify the section on European snuff. SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) (talk) 13:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I think it's more correct to call snus Swedish, not Finnish. I'm not sure about its origins, but Sweden is certainly its center of gravity as far as use and number of brands go. Snus has it's own wikipedia article. --Kvaks (talk) 19:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Snus was in use before Finland was an independent country.--Hellahulla (talk) 13:37, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Brands of Snuff

This is full of links to retail pages. I'm removing all the links to pages that sell something as per WP:LINKSTOAVOID.

Say what now?

Bert Reynolds flavored Snuff? Please verify if this is vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.216.104 (talk) 00:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

SOURCES???

The only sources listed on this page are one from the late 19th century, and one from 1990. This article desperately needs intellectual, scholarly, or factual depth. Lcyarrington (talk) 23:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Quebec

This is the first "citation needed" notice that I have ever placed on an article. However, the statement

"Snufftaking by the Native peoples of modern day Québec was first described by a monk named Ramon Pane in 1493, during Columbus' second journey to the Americas."

seems highly dubious, as Columbus was never anywhere near Quebec.
B00P (talk) 02:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Certainly Columbus (and Ramon Pane, as far as I know) never went anywhere near Quebec. I have changed this to read "modern-day Haiti" since that is where Pane is said to have made most of his anthropological observations. The source I added to the article has the following quote: "In this house they have a finely wrought table, round like a wooden dish in which is some powder which is placed by them on the heads of these cemis in performing a certain ceremony; then with a cane that has two branches which they place in their nostrils they snuff up this dust. The words that they say none of our people understand. With this powder they lose consciousness and become like drunken men" (Page 5). However, it says that this practice was observed "not only in Espanola but also in all the other islands and on the main land" (which refers to Cuba). Perhaps we should be less precise and simply say that Pane observed the practice among the native peoples he encountered during Columbus' second journey. Yarjka (talk) 00:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

But surely this anecdote only refers to the act of insuffulating SOME TYPE of psychotropic substance. It is highly unlikely that the substance which they "snuff up" their nostrils was indeed snuff, which is a powdered stimulant refined from tobacco wherein nicotine is the active ingredient. By context it seems that this is merely an instance of ritual insuffulation of a (likely hallucinogenic) psychotropic substance, probably derived from ayahuasca, the cactus which naturally produces the primary alkaloid in mescaline. SO I just don't know if this is pertinent information for a page devoted to tobacco snuff, as it may mislead people to believe that it was a ceremonial drug in modern day Haiti, which has yet to be proven. I think this informative anecdote would be better suited for a history section in the "insuffulation" page. Just my input, though. I welcome any reference to disprove my suspicion that the substance they insuffulated was indeed not tobacco based. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.29.134 (talk) 06:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Insufflation not inhalation

At the beginning of the article, it states that snuff is inhaled. "Inhale" comes from the Latin halare, meaning to breathe, and implies that something is taken into the lungs. Snuff is insufflated, or drawn sharply into the nose. This gets the active ingredient, nicotine, into the bloodstream very rapidly, without the attendant noxious gases present in cigarette smoke, like carbon monoxide, and the chemicals used to impregnate cigarette paper to make it burn - potassium nitrate, I believe. Pavel (talk) 12:30, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

To be more accurate, snuff is drawn "gently" into the nose - "sniffed" rather than "snorted", so as to keep the snuff in the front of the nose, where the nicotine is absorbed through the mucus membranes - rather than snorted up to the sinal cavity. I can see how some would use "inhale" to capture the snuff-taking process. Badger Drink (talk) 02:36, 28 June 2009 (UTC)