Talk:Santa Santita/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jappalang (talk) 05:46, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   Mostly clear, there are some noun plus -ing constructs that should be avoided per User:Tony1/Noun plus -ing, but I think these could be easily fixed and do not distract the overall flow terribly.

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   Details seem to be missing, see below Minimum to help re-users check information done

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   Need to clarify some issues below

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

   Found negative items that should be in Fair on the broad scale of things, more details could be incorporated later

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   On hold, pending resolution of issues

Missing content

• Two of the sources call the subject Magdalena, The Unholy Saint or some variant, another Sinful Saint. Since this movie was shown in the United States, I am hazarding it was under an English title. Which was it? The article seems to make no mention about this.

  I couldn't find formal release information; I've never written a cinema article before. Do you know where this could be found? Ironholds (talk) 06:12, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

  Do none of those three sources mention the title it was broadcast in the US? Jappalang (talk) 07:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

  Apparently, the English(?) DVD title is Magdalena, The Unholy Saint, with a quip of that title on the box by Ned Martel from the New York Times. Surely, Martel's article points out the English title? Jappalang (talk) 07:15, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

  Now added.

• The Plot seems to be missing conclusive material, leaving readers with a hanging sense of incompleteness. What is "the evil within her life" that comes to a climax? Did she resurrect Mike's son ("heal Mike's dead son" does not seem quite right either)? What did Mike "tempt the priest" into as well? From the way these details are structured, the reader begs to know and the project is not here to hide such things.

  Alas, I can't find information about the ending. Ironholds (talk) 06:12, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

References

• Page numbers (and ISSNs?) of publications appear to be missing. These details would be helpful in locating the sources, considering that the publications have hundreds of articles or pages.

  The articles were found through LexisNexis rather than the raw papers, and didn't have them attached that I could see. I can take another look, if that'd help? Ironholds (talk) 06:12, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

  I believe LexisNexis, if their structure is like ProQuest, would have the page numbers and such. Jappalang (talk) 07:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

  Page numbers now added, where they were available - a couple weren't. Ironholds (talk) 07:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

-- Jappalang (talk) 05:46, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Further material

• After reading Russell Edwards's Variety article on ProQuest, I noted that he also mentioned what Santa Santita means. This should be included.

  Now fixed. Ironholds (talk) 06:44, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

• I have found three articles on Gale Cengage that contains additional material I think should be used (Philippines moviegoers preferred other movies, Tony Gloria's intended target, a more detailed meaning of the original name); for copyright reasons, I cannot post their content here. Email me and I will forward them to you.

  Emailed. Ironholds (talk) 06:44, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

  Article extract and information sent; I hope you find them useful. Jappalang (talk) 08:25, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

• I believe the following links provide enough details to complete the plot and other information (US and Canada broadcast was only as a Lenten offering, background on development including the intentional biblical similarity, and the negative commentary about the film):
  • http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/manila-bulletin/mi_7968/is_2004_Nov_24/santa-santita-minsan-pa/ai_n33837376/?tag=content;col1
  • http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/manila-bulletin/mi_7968/is_2005_March_17/willie-marries-producers-daughter/ai_n33994474/
  • http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/manila-bulletin/mi_7968/is_2004_Sept_3/santa-santita-laurice-guillens-difficult/ai_n33789254/
• Some more extra material that may not be necessary for GA, but perhaps for future expansion
  • http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/manila-bulletin/mi_7968/is_2004_Oct_6/noted-actors-play-ordinary-roles/ai_n33810116/
  • http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/manila-bulletin/mi_7968/is_2004_Nov_7/laurice-faith/ai_n33827928/
  • http://asianfanatics.net/forum/topic/57617-philippines-santa-santita/ (Warning: not a source to be linked to or directly used)

    The last link is a forum site that supposedly copy and pasted news articles; it would be best to verify the actual physical copy, but one could use them to check if most of the good information are out there to be gotten.

    • I can't find the originals through Lexis - it could be that the Manila Bulletin is not syndicated there. Ironholds (talk) 06:44, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

      • The findarticles.com links are okay. That nowiki'ed asianfanatics.com should be checked if we want to use the stuff there. Jappalang (talk) 08:13, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

        • Sources now added and used for expansion. Are there any other concerns? Ironholds (talk) 16:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

-- Jappalang (talk) 02:22, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I think the following should be acted on:

• "she is forced to confront the evil within her life": should be clarified/explained, on the basis of clarity to the reader
• "... tempt the priest ...": "tempt" the character "into what", or "with what"? Again on the basis of clarity to the reader
• Negative review/comments from the Manila Bulletin: The largest newspaper (by circulation), according to its Wikipedia article, found issues with the film (while the second largest is positive), but this is not reflected in the article, introducing neutrality concerns.

-- Jappalang (talk) 23:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

• • All now fixed (hopefully). Ironholds (talk) 14:26, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
    • Yes, the rewordings for the Plot were quite good. Jappalang (talk) 01:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

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