Talk:Rufus Wainwright (album)/GA1

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Reviewer: Adabow (talk · contribs) 07:04, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

• Links are fine Adabow (talk · contribs) 07:04, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Lead

• The release info is not mentioned in the body and thus violates MOS:LEAD

What release info? --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Date and label (although label is sorta implied because he signed to DreamWorks) and further Japanese release. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Both the Background and Development sections mention DreamWorks Records. The Japanese bonus track appears in the Track listing section. How would you recommend including the 2008 LP release? Surely having a section specifically for release information would not be enough to stand alone... --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

The development section seems like a good place. Add it to the final paragraph, before "Following the album's release...". Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:45, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I added the original release date to the start of the paragraph and the re-issue detail at the end of the paragraph (I figured it best to keep in chronological order). Better? --Another Believer _(Talk) 14:56, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Much. Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• Producer info does not need citing in the lead as it is sourced later in the article

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

• "Though the album failed to chart in any nations, Wainwright reached number 24 on Billboard's Top Heatseekers chart" - some readers may find this confusing. Clarify

Added description of Top Heatseekers. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

• "and Rolling Stone named him the Best New Artist of 1998" - and Rolling Stone named Wainwright the Best New Artist of 1998

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Background

• "Wainwright acknowledge that having musicians" - missing letter "acknowledge"

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Development

• "Rufus Wainwright was recorded mostly in Los Angeles at Ocean Way Three & Seven, Sunset Sound Factory, Sunset Sound, Media Vortex, Hook Studios, Groove Masters, Red Zone, Sony, The Palindrome Recorder, and NRG Recording Services (one exception being Marchand's studio in Morin-Heights)" - confusing. The exception to what?

Well, the source does not actually say the name of the studio, nor does the CD insert. However, I know through Internet searches that Marchand's studio is called Wild Sky. Shall I add a source not specific to Wainwright's album noting the location of Marchand's studio? --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I guess what is meant is that the sentence doesn't make it quite clear that the exeption is that Morin-Heights is not in LA.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 15:44, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

How about: "Rufus Wainwright was recorded mostly in Los Angeles studios—Ocean Way Three & Seven, Sunset Sound Factory, Sunset Sound, Media Vortex, Hook Studios, Groove Masters, Red Zone, Sony, The Palindrome Recorder, and NRG Recording Services—although recording also took places in Marchand's Wild Sky, Morin-Heights."? Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. "... although recording also took place in Marchand's Wild Sky in Morin-Heights". --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Songs

• Maybe rename 'Composition'?
• Link ballad

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

• Why does 'drum' link to drum kit? Would drum not be a more appropriate target?

Done. I also changed "Wainwright" to "Wainwright's". --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

• "Wainwright's Summer Stage performance of "Beauty Mark" appear on his 2005 DVD All I Want." - appears

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

• "It get's me every time" - *shudder* abused apostrophe

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Promotion

• After "Wainwright acknowledged that his debut album was "not a single driven album"" you might like to add, "; no singles were released from Rufus Wainwright."

Done. To avoid redundancy, I changed "Rufus Wainwright" in the following sentence to "the album". --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

• When did the tour end?

• This still needs addressing. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:47, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• Unfortunately, I cannot find any other tour dates for 1999. One source says that he would be touring in Europe after April, but I cannot find any additional details. Solution? I do think "Wainwright continued to tour throughout the month of April before heading to Europe" is an accurate statement in that it provides a timeline without knowing the specific end date. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Reception

• Retitle 'Critical reception' as you also have a section on commercial response

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Personnel

• Source?

Allmusic and the CD liner notes. How does one include a citation? At the end of the entry for Wainwright? "Allmusic:<ref>" before the entries? --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

You could either precede the listings with "Credits for Rufus Wainwright, adapted from [source]:<ref>" or have "Source:<ref> at the end of the listings. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Chart performance and recognition

• This should be placed before the track listing

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

If "critical reception" is placed before the track listing, shouldn't "commercial reception" be put there, too?--Sylvia Anna (talk) 15:47, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Err, yes, this remains to be done. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

• Rename 'Commercial reception' or something similar, as it deals with other commercial aspects and 'recognition' details should be listed under critical reception

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

• The latter half of the first paragraph ("Ann Powers, music critic...from 496 critics.") is more critical reception

Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

• Is the table necessary for one chart?

No. Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

See also

• Are this links relevant to the album?

Removed. Moved Portal link to External links section. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

References

• Allmusic refs should be cited using {{Allmusic}}

Converting these is a pain... is there a bot that I can request to make the conversion? I see a bot updated at least one already. (I don't mean to be lazy here... I tried converting the template for The Myth of Fingerprints using the "album" class without success. If no bot is available, I will make another attempt. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Meh, forget it, it's not really an issue. Although if you want them converted I'm more than happy to do it for you. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I am indifferent, though you are welcome to convert the sources if you wish. --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

External links

• Why isn't the Austerlitz review used as a source for the article?

I was not sure if the source/author carried enough weight. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, right, student newspaper... :-) Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

On hold for seven days. Adabow (talk · contribs) 07:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your time and assistance, Adabow. One note: back in March, one contributor felt some of the information presented in the Background section belongs on the main Rufus Wainwright article. My opinion is that these details help readers understand the start of his career and is also relevant as this is Wainwright's debut album. I agree that this would also be relevant on Wainwright's main article, but my understanding is that the main article should summarize details that appear on the more specific articles. Any thoughts? I have notified the contributor that the GA review has started in case she hopes to share additional comments. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, do you find it necessary/helpful to include the studios in the infobox? I am wondering if just "1996–1997" is more appropriate. --Another Believer _(Talk) 15:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Generally, I would say include the studios, but as there are so many I think the years are sufficient. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Done. --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Section on background information

As is mentioned above I (still) have the feeling that a big part of the info in the section "background" is redundant. The exact part is:

"The son of American Loudon Wainwright III and Canadian Kate McGarrigle, both folk singer-songwriters, Rufus grew up in a "bohemian" household frequented by musicians and began playing piano at age six.[2] He and his sister Martha Wainwright, who also later became a recording artist, often performed in talent shows and sing-alongs for their grandmother. By his early teens, Wainwright was touring with his family throughout Canada, Europe and the United States in an act billed as the McGarrigle Sisters and Family (including his aunt Anna McGarrigle of the duo Kate and Anna McGarrigle).[2] At age fourteen, he wrote his first song, called "I'm a Runnin', for the 1988 Canadian film Tommy Tricker and the Stamp Traveller.[2] The song earned him a Genie Award nomination for Best Achievement in Music – Original Song and a Juno Award nomination in 1990 for Most Promising Male Vocalist of the Year.[2][3][4]

After being sent to Millbrook School in Dutchess County, New York, Wainwright attended McGill University in Montreal to study classical composition for a short time. With his mother's support, he began pursuing pop songwriting and learning how to play guitar."

95% of what is said here is already said in Wainwright's personal article and does not relate directly to the album. I think it would suffice to start with his gigs at Cafe Sarajevo. While background information is great I think it should stay close to the subject of the article, which is the album and not Wainwright himself. Those who want to learn more about him can consult his article. It should at least be shortened.

Please, dear reviewer, give us advice on this. Is it common to include something like that in the article about a debut album? Isn't it too much info that also distracts from the actual subject of the article?--Sylvia Anna (talk) 16:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I somewhat agree that the first paragraph is a wee bit too detailed and is more relevant for his bio. But the "After being sent...to his succes" should all be kept. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Will take another look at this... Sylvia, apart from trimming the Background section, are you satisfied with this article? --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

I trimmed down the section a bit, but kept all of the second paragraph. Does this satisfy both of you? I don't think it is inappropriate to include the fact (especially for a debut album) that Wainwright comes from a musical family, that he began touring in his teens and that his first song earned him two highly-regarded accolades. Of course, this information belongs on Wainwright's main article as well, but those two sentences provides readers with an appropriate amount of background information before leading into his formal education and record deal details. Please let me know if further edits need to be made. --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Sylvia, is "in an act billed as the McGarrigle Sisters and Family (including his aunt Anna McGarrigle of the duo Kate and Anna McGarrigle)" all you removed from the section? (It is hard for me to tell from the diff. Also, thanks for correcting "into"!) --Another Believer _(Talk) 20:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's all I removed from the first paragraph. It suffices to say that he toured with his family early without getting into so much detail. And in the context of his debut album who cares what high school he had been sent to. So I removed this from the beginning of the second paragraph. Hope that's ok with you.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 20:35, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

You are right--no need to mention high school or aunt's name. I would prefer for the background section to be a single paragraph since the first paragraph is only two sentences, but no big deal. We'll see what Adabow thinks about the article as it currently stands! --Another Believer _(Talk) 20:44, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

All of the issues I raised have been addressed, so I am listing the article now. Well done. Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

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