Talk:Reiko Aylesworth/Archive 1

"Is well known for almost always having a smile on her face no matter where she is or what she’s doing." Is this really something you should have in an encyclopedia article? Oldkinderhook 03:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Jon Cassar (One of 24's Directors) actually says this about Reiko on more than one occasion including in the book, 24: Behind the Scenes. Some of her fellow "24" co-stars (especially Carlos Bernard) have also said this about her. The trivia section is for interesting facts about a person which is why I added that one. --Coexerj145 21:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Reiko's Languages

Can Ms. Aylesworth speak Japanese?--BigMac1212 03:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

She doesn't speak Japanese. --Coexerj145 22:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

Removed to satisfy the grammar Nazis. --88.87.34.108 22:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

1. Suggesting that a trivia section be integrated into an article as per the guideline has nothing to do with english grammar.
2. Perhaps you should assume good faith amongst other editors and not engage in a personal attack by calling them Nazis. dissolve^talk 00:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Expansion Tag

It's too bad this page has to have a tag like this. It USED to contain a lot more information until a bunch of self appointed WikiNazis all but destroyed it. --66.68.107.21 14:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 07:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Place of Birth

It seems that MJBurrage and his anonymous companion want to change Reiko’s place of birth from Chicago to Evanston because of IMDB and other sites that reference it. However, I have articles from USA Today and The Chicago Tribune, neither of which could be called unreliable, that state she was born in Chicago. Now, if I understand Wikipedia correctly, information is supposed to be backed up with reliable sources, and this does not include websites that anyone can edit or websites that draw on such sites for their information. --MiB-24 (talk) 02:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

TV guide is also a reputable source (especially for TV stars), and it is very common when someone is from very close to a big city to just say they are from that city. The sources that say Chicago are not contradictory, they are just less specific. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 03:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Whatever. Just like last time, you’ll just ignore anything that doesn’t agree with your position. Why have you appointed yourself the arbitrator of what is allowed on this page? Just like “The American Embassy” where you claim Reiko is in the pilot when she is NOT. The previews don’t count. Then there is “Shooting Vegetarians” which you will not accept the filming date because it was released on DVD in 2005 although it was filmed in 1999/2000. I know if I add anything, you’ll just remove it like you’ve done for the past month. Is there any source you’ll accept other than IMDB, similar sites, or those that quote them? They’re about as reliable as Wikipedia which is absolutely not at all. I do find it funny that an anonymous user vandalized this page and then as soon as I stopped them, you showed up again to back up the vandal. Was it you and you just forgot to log in or was it a friend of yours? --MiB-24 (talk) 03:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I never disputed the production dates of “Shooting Vegetarians” but production dates and release dates are not the same, anyone who wants more detail can read our last exchange on my talk page. As for The American Embassy I originally said all six episodes because she is credited in all six episodes. After your insistence that she was only in four, I watched all six episodes again, and as the page says she was credited in all six episodes, although her first appearance was during the closing credits of the pilot. She was not added to the cast after the show had been in production for awhile, she was intended from the start to replace a character that gets killed in the pilot, hence her star billing even in the pilot. (The character she replaced was simply a guest star listed in the closing credits.)

As for the Chicago thing, think of all the areas around L.A. that are not strictly the city of L.A., but people from those suburbs will often be described as from L.A. Now if there is any source that disputes the account of her being born in the same hospital as her costar, than please bring it to our attention. Lastly, when did I use IMDb as a source for anything in this article other than a films release date (wherein I noted that the New York Times gives the same date)? I am well aware of IMDb flaws for bio details.

If it helps at all, when I first noticed your back and fourth with the anon editor here, I went looking for a source to back Chicago, and then found the more specific references to the specific Chicago suburb. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 04:22, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Anything I “bring to your attention” will be torpedoed almost instantly and you know that is exactly what you would do. You have done it every time I try to add or edit anything. Unless you’re Reiko and you’re not, then I know far more about her than you ever will and I don’t mean because I’ve read more on the Internet. All of this is nothing but typical Wikipedia obtuseness. --MiB-24 (talk) 04:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I have never ignored you. Every time you presented information (always useful to date) I simply asked reasonable questions. Instead of answering them you are dismissive. In the case of her birth place there are good sources that she is from Chicago, which is a rather large area. There are also good sources that the part of Chicago she is from is specifically the suburb of Evanston, Illinois (TV Guide and a Chicago radio station). Given that specific location, we would need a valid source that refutes or corrects the "same hospital in Evanston" information. Can you provide a source for Evanston being the wrong part of the Chicago metropolitan area? —MJBurrage^(T•C) 10:59, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

You know why I get dismissive? Because in the end, no matter what kind of source or information I provide, you or others like you simply decide it is “not valid” or “irreverent” or some other Wiki rule and then change or revert it. Over the years I’ve had several accounts (not at the same time), two of which I asked to have deleted because I got sick of the same kind of behavior. I once had roughly a dozen pictures here, all ones I took which meant I controlled the copyright which I released. Each one was used on at least one page. Well, someone tagged all for deletion for “copyright violations” and despite my efforts, all were deleted. About a year or so later I wrote 6 or 7 about U.S. nuclear tests, all sourced with publicly available government documents, accounts and information from men who worked on the projects, etc. One day they were tagged for speedy deletion and gone within an hour, long before I even knew they had been tagged. And now I’m seeing the same thing happening yet again. You did it with “Shooting Vegetarians,” “The American Embassy,” and now this. --MiB-24 (talk) 12:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I have had to deal with similar issues, including a page deleted within 30 second of when I created it. If I am not careful I can get testy too, so I try to remember that it is very easy to misinterpret a users intention, since typing lacks all of the subtle cues of face to face communication. With respect to where she was born, nobody disputes that she is from Chicago, but just like saying someone is from Boston, L.A. or a number of other large cities, there are actually a number of communities within the metro area of each city. In this case we have sources that reputable sources that say Chicago, and reputable sources that give a specific community within the Chicago area. If it was just IMDb and fan sites I would completely agree with you, and in fact was going to change it back to Chicago myself before I found the TV Guide page. Given that source, we would need a reputable source that says that the same hospital information is wrong. For example if the New York Times gave a city that was incompatible with the TV Guide article, I would give more credence to the Times; but that is not the case here. Evanston, is part of the Chicago metro area, so saying she is from Evanston is not incompatible with saying she is from Chicago, Illinois; it is more specific, and backed by a perfectly valid source. For example articles from any number of reputable source might talk about Boston's MIT, even though it is more specifically in Cambridge just across the river; same thing here. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 21:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I seriously doubt you would agree with any source I found. You dismissed USA Today, and the Chicago Tribune, even though I doubt you can find one person on Wikipedia who says they are not reputable. Over “Shooting Vegetarians,” you dismissed at least 3 or 4 articles I found that gave the film festival premiere dates as being in 2001 and 2002 and went right back to using IMDB and Amazon.com as a source for the release date. --MiB-24 (talk) 05:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I have said multiple times, that I do accept and believe the sources that say Chicago, but Evanston, is a specific part of the Chicago metro area. In other words TV Guide (and the other Evanston sources) do not disagree with the sources that simply say Chicago, they are more specific.

As for “Shooting Vegetarians”—as I said in detail in out past exchange—The New York Times also says that it was released in 2005. As I said last time, all three articles you found, described upcoming film festivals: the first specified that it was an unfinished version, and the other two both said they were world premiers (so at least one of them is wrong). I looked for any evidence that the film had actually shown in a finished form at the latter two and could not find it. As a result, I changed the line to read DVD release date based on the what the New York Times (and IMDb, Amazon, Hollywood.com etc.) said, with a note about when it was filmed. While you keep saying it, none of my edits are based "only on IMDb", they are based on looking at all of the sources.

Lastly for The American Embassy, the credits I am referring to are not from any website. I have recordings of all six episodes, and she is in the opening credits of all six. As mentioned in the article, she does not have scenes in the first episode, despite being in the opening (and closing) credits, but she does have multiple scenes in the other five episodes. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 08:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)