Talk:Redbridge, Southampton/Archive 1

Archive 1

Merge

I am against the proposed merge of articles suggested it would cause a loss of information in many cases and an overloading of the main page. Notably a similar set of proposals was made by an anonymous user to disrupt the Portsmouth page and those of its schools information is here and also here -- Drappel 21:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Naming of articles about city suburbs

Can someone explain why the articles about the city suburbs have the suffix Hampshire rather than Southampton? e.g. Shirley, Hampshire rather than Shirley, Southampton (which is now a re-direct). As a Shirley resident, I don't consider that I live in Hampshire but rather in the City of Southampton, and I'm proud of it. On looking at the edit history, most of the articles were re-named in November 2006, with the edit summary "correct form of disambiguation". Where is this policy set out? Can you imagine renaming say, Edge Hill, Liverpool to Edge Hill, Lancashire simply because it falls within the boundaries of the old county of Lancashire? Daemonic Kangaroo 10:30, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The policy is set out at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (settlements). The correct disabigutation of Edge Hill is actually Edge Hill, Merseyside. Only disambiguate to local authority area if there are two places with identical names within the ceremonial county boundaries. -- Jza84 · (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Interim review

Per the request made at WP:UKGEO, here's a quick review to aid in the furthering of the article. Some of this is just my opinion, other bits are supported by policy and or guidelines. WP:UKCITIES are an excellent point of reference in building strong settlement articles, which include links to useful online sources too:

• That "Redbridge is a sizable ward" is open to point-of-view; "ward" would be more neutral and encyclopedic. Mentions of size in comparision to others might be of use for a new Geography section? You should be able to get statistics on area from neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk. Done (removal of POV, not addition of geog section!) Waggers 16:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
• The article should include the country (England not UK per WP:UKCITIES). Easily overlooked I know, but Wikipedia is an international project. Done
• Population should be mentioned in the lead and infobox too if figures are avaliable. Done
• Try to include the exact distance and direction from Southampton city centre in the lead (in this case it is 3.1 miles (5.0 km) west - from Genuki). Done
• I'd be inclined to split the lead section in to two (or more bits). Maybe first one on location, second one on history, third on current status/make up? Done
• "The A35 road crosses the River Test here" are a no-no for GA and FA, as it gives the impression the article was written from the point of view of a resident. Try to remove mentions of "here". Done
• Some of the paragraphing is a little stubby - one sentence paragraphs are discouraged. I realise this is difficult to overcome for small areas without extensive source material, but it might be something to consider in the future.
• As pointed out above, this article should be retitled back to Redbridge, Hampshire, as it is the house style on Wikipedia. Done

Other than that the article is sound, and the referencing good. You may want to consider using a Quotation template for the historic description, and consider now looking at expanding into new sections suggested by WP:UKCITIES like Geography or Economy.

The only other small area I can think of that may be of some use as a reference is Didsbury in Manchester, which is a Good article.

Once these are fixed, and you've expanded some of the material, next step is a peer review! Hope that helped! -- Jza84 · (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

dates

there are errors in the dates of the old bridges,the single arch bridge was built in 1826 by hampshire council,and is recorded in the stone above the arch, the 5 arch bridge the mule pack and pass bridge was built in 1793 and was widen when the single arch bridge was built redbridge started life about a mile up river from its present location not far from what is known has the green bridge,just below green bridge about 200 yards is the old roman causeway edvidence of the man made causeway is still there over the 2000 years redbridge has been moving down river to its present location. the canal ran at the back of the what is now the anchor hotel and was lined with popular trees from the canal loading/unloading(redbridge) dock up to the canal entrance at millbrook point, there was also a loading dock at green park this is to mark with popular trees on the south corner of nine elms there is foundations of an old wall that runs from the river bank to the railway wall,from that wall to redbridge quay wall is a public hard,thats why a landing spot was kept open under the railline on the south side of the bridge, and why there are steps built into the rail embankment on the north side of the bridge southerner —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.60.66 (talk) 23:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this, but we have to rely on information that's verifiable from reliable sources. Do feel free to make the changes and additions necessary as long as you add WP:References that verify the information you're adding. Alternatively, if you can find resources on the web that would help us, please post them here and I (or another Wikipedia editor) will make the necessary alterations. Again, thanks very much for your input. Waggers (talk) 15:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

i can show you some of the info like the stone above the arch on the single bridge, i can show you the old roman causeway and there are maps about showing the corse of the andover canal and the steps in the rail emankment and landing stage they are still there the line of popular trees end in millbrook park,i have 2 1910 pictures off the bridges and ship inn www.old-maps.co.uk/indexmappage2>> redbridge,hampshire&isles of wight,>>coordinates 437200/113600 that map will show you the path of the canal cir 1871 you can see it going round redbridge on the east side of the village

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.60.66 (talk) 15:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

In addition to the reference cited in the article, this source also supports the assertion that the single span bridge was built in 1793. Waggers (talk) 23:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

i have read your source,they have got there information from the redbridge merchant book and applyed the date of the first bridge to the second bridge. i have e-mailed them to go and recheck the book and to go and look at the date plaque on the single arch bridge, the mechant book tells who the merchants was who paid for the first bridge and gives the dates of start and finish of the 5 arch bridge i also noticed theres a map of the part canal between millbrook and southampton this part of the canal was never started because of the sea keeps flooding this area, the last real big flood there was in the 1920's when the flood water got level with millbrook train station platform (echo news paper has a picture of this) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.60.66 (talk) 14:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Great. As far as Wikipedia is concerned, we can only include information that we can verify through other sources - original research such as checking the date plaques ourselves etc. is inadmissable. Please do post back here if you find a reliable source (other than original research) that supports the version of events you've outlined above. Please don't take offense or interpret this as "I don't believe you" - it's just that we need to make sure we can back up the information we put in the article. Cheers, Waggers (talk) 16:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

its ok i not taking any offense alot of information on this area was not to well documented on most information has been handed down though the family over the years,like my family (dad side) came from millbrook,redbridge and totton area,my self i was born in redbridge on the millbrook housing estate alot of people here dont relize how big the parish,ward and village boundiers of redbridge is if you like i can take pictures of the the place i have talk about like the old roman causeway,the steps in the embankment,the old wall foundations,ect the plaque on the single bridge will not be easy to do plus that plaque was replace when the single arch bridge got badly damage in flood water and had to be repaired then it happen again but not so bad only lost one wall witch it still have the sand bags replacement wall theres never been any pre 1600 finds where redbridge is located now but about a mile north of redbridge there has been southerner —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.60.66 (talk) 17:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)