Talk:Ravichandran Ashwin/GA1

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Reviewer: Vkwiki100 (talk · contribs) 13:10, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I'll be reviewing this article. This is my first review, and you seem to have more experience than me, so feel free to correct me if you think I'm making a mistake. Cheers! VK wiki100 13:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking up the review. Cheers! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 17:19, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

So, I'm reading the article now and listing down the points I think need attention.

• Ashwin has 500 wickets in tests and is the fastest bowler to reach 300 wickets in terms of number of innings. - capitalize "tests" to "Tests".

Done Magentic Manifestations (talk) 17:19, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

• He has won ten Man of the Series awards in tests, which is the highest by an Indian cricketer and the second most. - again capitalize tests and write it as "and the second highest overall." for better clarity.

Done Magentic Manifestations (talk) 17:19, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

So, I've read the whole article, and while I found most of the prose to be clear, there are certain places where attention is needed. I can't list all of them here, so I want you to look at the article once again and do a sort of cleanup, although most of it is fine. I haven't looked at the references, which I'll do later. Regarding the coverage part, I'd say that the "Early life and education" section, "Personal life" section, and the "Domestic career" section might be expanded if there is enough content available as per WP:RS. Also, I suggest merging the "Early career" section with the "Domestic career" section.

Agreed on the last part, combined early career with domestic as the section was barely a few lines. I am combining early and personal life sections as well. Will see if it can be expanded. On the prose part, would be helpful if you can cite a few instances as to what you are exactly referring to. Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 17:19, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

So, I've made some minor edits myself. Mainly, the issue was with continuity, as there were many instances where commas were missing. I also added pronouns in some places where 'Ashwin' was used redundantly. Now, the prose is clear and I believe it passes the prose criteria. VK wiki100 06:19, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Lead

Lead is suppose to be a summary of the article so where in the article it talks about this – "Widely regarded as one of the most prolific off spinners of all time" and I also didn't found anything about this – "is one of the only three players to have scored 3000 runs and taken 450 wickets in Tests. As of February 2024, Ashwin is the second highest-ranked bowler in the ICC men's player rankings and the highest rated Indian bowler ever in Tests" – in the article except lead .VK wiki100 06:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Has been included in the article with sources. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 16:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I am passing the MoS, ref layout, and images criteria.VK wiki100 05:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

References

2010–11: Debut and early years

"Ashwin played the fourth and fifth matches of India's tour of West Indies in June–July 2011, picking up just one wicket." – Unsourced? VK wiki100 05:51, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

2011-12: Test debut and rise

"thus becoming only the third Indian to score a century and take a five-wicket haul in the same Test and the first since 1962." – source mentions that it is the first by an Indian since in 1962 but doesn't mention that he is third Indian to do so. You can use this list for reference of third indian. VK wiki100 05:51, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

" He had a quiet tour of Sri Lanka in July–August 2012, taking five wickets at 39.40 in the five-match ODI series and 1/22 in the one-off T20I." – source for T20I figures? VK wiki100 05:51, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Have added citations and references wherever indicated. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 11:36, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

2012-15: Middle years and consolidation

"with his match figures of 12/85, bettering S. Venkataraghavan's 12/152 for the best figures by an Indian bowler against New Zealand in Tests" – The source states that it is the best figures of an Indian against NZ but doesn't state that he bettered Venkataraghavan. This source would do. VK wiki100 04:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Resolved. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 06:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

"With nine wickets in six matches, Ashwin finished as the leading wicket-taker of the home ODI series against Australia in October–November 2013, which India won 3–2." – link is dead use this VK wiki100 04:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Resolved Magentic Manifestations (talk) 06:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

I've checked the references up to this section, and it is well-referenced for the most part, but it lacks direct sources for many statements like "When England toured India in October 2011, Ashwin was the second-highest wicket-taker of the series, with ten wickets in a 5–0 victory.", and this one "India eventually lost the series 2–1 in which Ashwin managed to take only 14 wickets in the four Tests at an average of 52.64. However, he scored 243 runs, averaging 60.75, including two fifties, and finished as India's second best batsman of the series.". In both lines, there are sources stating Ashwin's record but not mentioning whether India won the series or not. The same thing applies here also: "With nine wickets in six matches, Ashwin finished as the leading wicket-taker of the home ODI series against Australia in October–November 2013, which India won 3–2." and here:"In early 2014, Ashwin's overseas struggles continued during the New Zealand tour, where he managed to bag a solitary wicket in the five-match ODI series, which India lost 4–0." and in this paragraph: "He played only two matches in the five Test series, scoring 40 and 46 not out but going wicketless in the fourth Test and taking three wickets in the last match, both of which ended in defeats. India won the ODI series that followed 3–1. with Ashwin taking seven wickets from four matches at an average of 24.85 and an economy rate of less than 4.5." There is no source for the test matches and for the ODI series win. Here also, the reference only states the record of the series: "India whitewashed Sri Lanka in a five-match ODI series in November 2014, in which Ashwin took 6 wickets to his name at 33.33." So, my point is that there are no immediate sources for the verification of "series win" in many instances. VK wiki100 04:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

I have addressed the instances mentioned above and added sources for certain other instances as well wherever required! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 06:46, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Vkwiki100 The review is open for nearly a month now. Are you planning on completing it? Magentic Manifestations (talk) 15:13, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Vkwiki100, please return to complete this review. If you are unfamiliar with the process, please consult the GA instructions: "Once you start a review, you are committing to complete it in a timely manner. Do not stop half way through and just leave it." Magentic Manifestations (talk) 03:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in reviewing. I will get to it ASAP. I will be completing this review in the next few days VK wiki100 05:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

• In the section "IPL career," replace the source for the first line with this source, as the mentioned The Hindu article does not seem to mention Ashwin being picked by CSK in 2008. Additionally, the second line about Ashwin debuting for CSK in 2009 is not verified by the mentioned source; it only mentions that Ashwin's first season was in 2009. The same issue applies to the last line of the paragraph, as the source does not mention CSK at all.

• In last paragraph - Delhi retained him for the 2021 season. - Source about retention needed.

• He took 12 wickets and scored 191 runs to take Rajasthan to the finals of the 2022 season. - source about RR reaching final?

I've read the entire article, and it appears to meet the criteria. I only found these instances above where a source is needed. Once you correct that, I'll pass it. VK wiki100 06:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Vkwiki100 All comments mentioned have been addressed. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 11:38, 25 April 2024 (UTC)