Talk:Ramiro Martinez/Archive01

Just off-topic thought

Although we haven't heard from anybody in Martinez's camp, having just read his website and a bit of his stuff...wow, it's just, interesting that the two cops involved in shooting Whitman are both...a little...well, they're interesting characters :P Suddenly, I find myself wanting to crown Allan Crum as the hero of UT ;) Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 15:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Voices from the tower link

It's an external link. It is about the subject! It contains information that is designed to augment and contrast the articles! Why is it spam? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.121.103.147 (talk • contribs) 08:10, 2006 August 11

It is a commercial link to a site that exists to sell audio tapes that present one version of the story of the Charles Whitman shootings. Typically, we try to link to neutral sites that are not pushing any particular viewpoint. We also try to keep the number of links to a small number. Wikipedia is not a link farm or a web directory. If the link is not adding to the content here, then it can be removed.

We can't allow links to every store or website that would like to use traffic from Wikipedia to make a buck. We do allow some commercial links, of course, but usually only to major sites. For instance, our article on Apple Computer will link to the manufacturer, but not to hundreds of retail sites where you can buy apple products. The site you are trying to link to is not a well known site and it is not up to Wikipedia to help you make the site more famous.

If you think this link should be included, please explain your reasoning on the Article talk page. Johntex\^talk 16:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion occured on Johntex's talk page as a result of User:71.121.103.147 placing the identical link on Charles Whitman, Houston McCoy and Ramiro Martinez. I am copying the discussion to the three Talk pages to explain the reasoning behind reverting the link. - Johntex\^talk 16:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

User:71.121.103.147 has now added the same external link to 3 more articles. I have warned this user that further behavior of this sort will lead to blocking. Johntex\^talk 16:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I was blocked for a while by Woohookity. I had corrected the time line of Whitmans "notes" in the Chas. Whitman article and used the site as a reference. That was reverted by Sherurcij. So I put the site in the external links section, not as spam but for information purposes. The site is under construction, but holds enough information for "someone who reviews it" to see the issues that contrast the information on Wikipedia and other sites. There are plenty of links that have commercial content through out Wikipedia. This site also claims to be in the interest of "all of the victims of the Texas Tower Tragedy" and should be allowed to link to external sites germain to the article and site. Johntex, I see you are an administrator. You must have reverted while I was in the process of adding links. That's why more were added "after you found the first ones"! I was unaware your reversions were taking place. To say I added links after a warning is incorrect.71.121.103.147 16:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Centralized discussion on UT Tower shooting link

An editor wishes to add the following link to this and other articles:

"VOICES From The Tower"

I have asked them if we can have a centralized discussion about this link, rather than have the discussion across mutliple pages, and they have agreed to have the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Texas#Centralized_discussion_on_UT_Tower_shooting_link. Please visit that discussion if you wish to participate. Thanks, Johntex\^talk 17:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)