Talk:Rainbow Serpent

UK example

I have removed the following from the article as I could not see what it had to do with the Australian Rainbow Serpent dreaming:

The Michael and Mary Line is the part of the Rainbow Serpent that travels though England (see UK map) linking many sacred sites from St Michael's Mount, Cornwall, through to Glastonbury, Avebury and many sacred sites up to Bury St. Edmunds and finally, Hopton-on-Sea, where it goes into the North Sea (see map).

The Rainbow Serpent Project www.rainbowserpent.co.uk link title

Wanderer (talk) 01:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

African example

I'm not sure what to do with this section. It is large enough to move into its own stub article, returning the focus of this one to the Australian tradition. It is in dire need of editing though, paticularly in regards to clarification. I'll try to contact the contributor and have him make a new page, then revert this back to the Australian focussed version. Nazlfrag (talk) 06:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The user making the edits wasn't signed in. There is already a stub for Oxumare, I'm undoing the edits and pasting it there. Nazlfrag (talk) 06:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

rainbow serpent animate depiction of rainbows

this article doesn't seem to mention the obvious fact that the rainbow serpent originates as a way of describing rainbows - as bows were not in common use in Australia, the only object in the Aboriginal world that met the description of the rainbow was a long curved snake. --81.158.147.15 (talk) 16:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

see also

• Julunggul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
• Galeru - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
• Wollunqua - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

related?

• Yurlungur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

note

I see the lack of mention of the feminine aspect of this entity here to be rather misleading.

• see this from : The Circle of the Dragon: Dragons of Fame: Rainbow Serpent / Rainbow Snake / Rainbow Monster
  • More specifically from: Giants, monsters, and dragons: an ...Page 306 - Carol Rose - Google Books

The gender of the creature was never clear, and there are many representations of this god(dess) creature. Other representations include:...

Sativarg (talk) 06:16, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Class Project

A class studying world mythology at Ursuline College in Pepper Pike, Ohio USA worked on the Rainbow Serpent page for a few weeks in Spring 2013. We hope we have improved the page. Fwursuline (talk) 17:14, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Name coined in English by Alfred Radcliffe-Brown

The term "Rainbow Serpent" was used in this 1913 newspaper article http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19895022 and appears to reference:- Tom Petrie's reminiscences of early Queensland 1904 but this is incorrect.

The story came from here:- The Native Tribes of South-East Australia A. W. Howitt 1904 page 431 https://archive.org/stream/nativetribesofso00howiuoft#page/430/mode/2up which does not use the term "Rainbow Serpent", but is clearly on the subject.

A story about a real rainbow snake that predates Alfred Radcliffe-Brown:- http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article57976554 101.162.50.182 (talk) 01:26, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Not sure about this

Quote: "Another error of the same kind is the way in which western-educated people, with a cultural stereotype of Greco-Roman or Norse myths, tell the Aboriginal stories in the past tense. For the indigenous people of Australia the stories were "Everywhen" - past, present and future"

This is not entirely true. The story of Ragnarok takes place in the future, and other features of the mythologies of these European features explained ongoing events e.g. winter-summer with Ceres/Demeter and the Northern Lights were also explained as the glinting of the shields of the Valkyries.

I think as a generalisation, there is some truth in this, but it would be a mistake to think it is always the case. In older Celtic mythology, the other realm can be stepped in and out of at any time.-MacRùsgail (talk) 14:32, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

I propose that Rainbow Serpent be merged into Yurlungur. I think that the content in the Yurlungur article is duplicative of the context in the Rainbow Serpent article. I do not forsee any difficulties in any aspect of the merger. Coulson Lives (talk) 18:18, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Go for it, I say. —Keenan Pepper 05:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Encouragement is good, rationales are better. — cygnis insignis 06:33, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

oppose: that is only a name, there are as many names as there are languages. Why would that be a better title? — cygnis insignis 06:33, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Support merge to Rainbow Serpent, given that there are many aboriginal names for these serpents (Rainbow Serpent#Names in different cultures), and in the absence of a reason for choosing any given one of them, it's best to use and English title (WP:EN). Klbrain (talk) 23:59, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

I too Support merge to Rainbow Serpent. This is English Language Wikipedia. We need to stick to that language for the name of this topic, rather than singling out one of many Australian Aboriginal languages. HiLo48 (talk) 00:11, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Support merge; The content of the Yurlungur article can easily be merged into the Serpent Stories section of Rainbow Serpent. ∞^southern_kangaroo ∞ talk∞ 14:59, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

More mergers

As mentioned above, Galeru, Julunggul and Wollunqua are variations of the Rainbow Serpent. The first two are insubstantial and uncited, so IMO are unjustifiable as standalones. The latter has a bit more substance, but it's all from one source, so I'm agnostic about this one. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:15, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Support merge to Rainbow Serpent. It makes sense to have all the information on the Rainbow Serpent all in one place (WP:EN). Coulson Lives (talk) 20:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Coulson Lives. I have now merged the first two, but left Wollunqua, as there is quite a substantial article there. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

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PLEASE SPEAK TO ABORIGINAL PEOPLE ON THEIR COUNTRY FOR THEIR STORIES FOR ACCURACY

PLEASE SPEAK TO ABORIGINAL PEOPLE ON THEIR COUNTRY FOR THEIR STORIES FOR ACCURACY - NOT A TOPIC BUT STATING A FACT 203.35.135.174 (talk) 02:22, 2 February 2023 (UTC)