Talk:Panic! at the Disco/Archive 3

Archived. Qwerty (talk) 11:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Song

this song is significant. don't delete the page. It is panic!'s first new song! aren't you guys excited?

Anyway. Maybe we could merge this article with some article listing future songs. Something like that. Does such an article exist? 24.18.180.44 15:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Ryan Ross does not sing in this song. You can only hear Jon and Brendon. JazzlineB (talk) 02:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Clean-up

Exactly what type of clean-up does this article need? PrincessOfHearts 22:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

• The article does not read or flow particularly well particularly in '2006-2007: Commercial Success': No longer exist
• Too much trivial information throughout, especially in '2006-2007: Commercial Success': No longer exist
  • Regarding the above section, the majority of the information refers to 2006, which I would say was the year they attained recognised success. Propose relabelling section without reference to 2007? : Was split into two sections
• Much of the article is unsourced. History especially. Their history could be fleshed out a little and referenced. : I've worked on their history extensively and added many sources
• Tidy references. Some are broken : Fixed all the references
• Within sections information not running in a chronological order. : Now are running in order PseudoNym 10:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm probably going to begin a rewrite of the entire article next week (starting 24th June). If links that could be used as sources could be placed below, that'd be grand of you. PseudoNym (Contact me) 16:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

at the bottom of the page are comments saying that ryan loves rhiannon mulak but im unable to delete due to me having a new account. Sanriogirly 08:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Why does the band's main article need so much information on their second album, which isn't even out yet? Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a fan page. I would suggest moving that info to another page (or linking to similar info on another wiki about the band). At the very least, please consider shortening/removing all the details on how the band's Web site has hints about the second album--not encyclopedic content and frankly, pointless. I also think the long paragraph on the Reading bottle throwing incident is unnecessarily long. To me, it's not encyclopedic content, as the band member apparently was not seriously hurt, and it's just an isolated incident. Lansys (talk) 09:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Genre

For an archived discussion regarding the genre of Panic! at the Disco, please see the appropriate page listed on the right.

The discussion has technically ended now, though if you have any suggestions for a genre please list them below, following the next few tips:

For now:
Keep discussion short or this page will go the way of the last.
Do not alter the main main page.
Please remember these are merely suggestions by Wikipedia users.. PseudoNym 14:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

These are the many genres that Panic! is believed to be in, yet we are staying with the current genres because they match Panic!'s personal opinion of themselves and many of their media's have the current genres listed.

• Rock -Current
  • Pop-Rock
  • Indie-Rock
  • Dance Rock
  • Ragrock (ragtime)(acordian, organ)
• Dance
  • Dancecore
• Emo
  • Emocore
• Big Beat - Current
• Techno - Current
• Pop-Punk
• Dance-Punk
• Jazz
• Electronica
• Alternative Dance

Wikipedia isn't a democracy, so voting on their genre is not permitted. Consensus should be reached. Currently their genre is listed as Rock, Big Beat, and Techno, though at one time or another many of the above have been listed on the front page (for good reason or vandalism), while others are further suggestions by Wikipedia users. If you have any reason/evidence to sugest why these genres already on the article page are incorrect, please list them in the discussion section below. PseudoNym (Contact me) 20:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

How about we base it on what Panic! believes themselves to be considering they list what genre they think they are on their Myspace. Also if that doasn't work (Which it should work because their opinions on their genre are far more important than our own) then you could name a new genre just for them. Knight Whitefire 22:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I am fine leaving Panic! Rock, Big Beat, and Techno, seeing as that is what they say on their Myspace. John 23:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Look on their official websites and then put it on... all of our facts should be verifiable. Their Myspace and official site should be a good place to start... I'll look there now. CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 23:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Their myspace has Rock, Big Beat, and Techno while their PureVolume has Rock. So I think those should be the ones we use. John 23:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Whereas I don't agree, that's what we should put in, as well as indie, because they're on an indie label. CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 00:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't agree with some either, but the band wants to be listed as that obviously, or they would not have put it on their myspace. John 01:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for adjusting this. Knight Whitefire 13:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

While I understand that they claim to be Big Beat and Techno on their MySpace, anybody knowledgeable in either genre can clearly recognize that while there are certainly some minor techno influences they are in no way a part of either genre.

Until you can prove this article is wrong, Panic will not be emo. [1]

Keep in mind on their CD they have TWO genres to pay attention to. The first part is electronica, and then the song "Intermission", then it continues to baroque music, which I would actually classify as more jazzy than "big beat". Mightywayne 17:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not a fan, but when i heard them on the modern rock station, they didn't sound very emo. I believe P!ATD is dance punk, like The Rapture, !!!, Men, Women & Children and Jonezetta. Their is also a New Order influence in there Doc Strange 19:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Emocore means there must be an aspect of Hardcore in the music, emotional hardcore. Well who would call PATD hardcore? Maybe emo standing for emotional music would fit, but no band wants to be called emo, though, the genre is pop punk anyway Post-HC freak 07:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

exactly. proper emo is emocore, which is hardcore, which is killswitch engage. 'Emo' the subculture may like P!ATD (i wouldn't know), but that in no way reflects the type of music the band plays. Also, who actually said they are emo? Aristeaus 11:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Spencer Smith said in an interview, an AOL live sessions iTunes exclusive, that they consider themselves "just rock." Ryan Ross and Jon Walker said they do not agree with the 'emo' title (iinterview with austrailian radio station). In their box-set dvd, the band members say that they are just rock and the subgenres don't matter and are just silly. They then go on to mock emo, trip hop, etc...

Can i make a point please that i think panic! are immensely similar to fall out boy so what do you say fall out boy are? All these modern genres are whatever the band says they are. take for example my chemical romance they are huge among emo's where i live yet they refer to themselves as not emo and the amount of arguments i've had with people about it you wouldnt believe. Also people like 30 seconds to mars and 12 summers old which soun djust like fall out boy but are classed as emo because they say they are, genres all depend on what you want to be. 172.201.220.206 15:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC), 18 June 2007

They're barely like Fall Out Boy. FOB is regular mainstream rock, and supposedly they think they're punk. They have no elements of baroque, I'm not aware of any techno influences, and they're lyrics aren't even as intelligent as Panic. So I don't know how you think they could be emo, which is a made up genre, when they don't even dress it. MCR is not the made up genre emo, either, and I don't blame them for being angry at people for calling them that. Their clothing style resembles goth, if anything. :) Mightywayne 18:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, they're a mix of both goth and punk fashion, similar to that of emo. You don't have to be baroque to be emo, you can have an electronica influence on your emo sound which means they can be classified emo as well.

Spoken as if so many emo bands are baroque that you should mention it? Whatever people classify as "emo" music, usually does use electronica elements, soft beats. And sign your damn posts with ~ ~ ~ ~ with no spacse. Mightywayne 15:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

All the same just post what Panic! at the Disco believe themselves to be because this would end the problem as we know it and would be in unison to what they themselves believe themselves to be. Knight Whitefire 06:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the can fall into the alternative dance genre as well Doc Strange 15:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Well they say what they are and let's keep it like that because this is an encylopedia and anyway they have whole songs in their first album that are one genre and then other right after that are another. Plus they said that they were going in a new direction for their second album so their genre might drastically change for THAT album.

Actually the band has stated in multiple interviews that their second album will continue where Build God, Then We'll Talk ended on the first considering that's everyone in the bands favorite song. Knight Whitefire 02:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

If you've seen their new song they performed you difinantely can't say they are emo anymore.

I reckon that their definately NOT emo!!! but rock/pop/disco dance!

to be perfectly honest, what their myspace says may not necessarily be what they believe they are. the amount of bands on myspace who are, death metal, perhaps, yet label their myspace music genre as "afrobeat, two-step, easy listening" is fairly high, jsut because thats what they put, doesnt necessarily mean thats what they are. yeah. :) ShikariASH 19:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Labels are for water bottles. Why do you people care, it's just good music. End of discussion. -Jonathan

That's cute, Jon. For water bottles. And I'm sure symphonic black metal sounds exactly like gangster hip hop, so why should we even bother having genres? Fucking idiot. Mightywayne 15:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The main genres (Rock, Rap, Alternative, Country, Dance, etc..) I don't care about. The subgenres are the ones that piss me off. For example, people argue over the most stupid things like "is it post-hardcore or screamo??? Is it crunk or gangster rap?" WHO CARES!? I sure don't. Panic! At The Disco is a very unique band that utilizes many different forms of music but still fall into the catagory of Alternative. Now maybe you think that they fall into dance or something, well we can agree on one thing... It's good music and definitely better than the usual Pop shit that gets thrown on the radio. -Jonathan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.114.152.123 (talk) 18:28, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

You give subgenres to bands so people can find bands that have SIMILAR style, Panic! isn't that different from ' the stuff that gets thrown on the radio ' and not everyone will agree that they're music is ' good '. They are better off having Emo in their genre listing then Alternative, why do people think emo is a bad thing anyways? They just have a dance/big beat influence on their sound.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:81abqj3eojfa A source that is reliable that states they are Emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.225.119 (talk) 16:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Why is Panic! listed as Alternative rock? Where is this cited? Anyone bother to read the Wikipedia page on alternative rock, Panic! is nowhere near like the bands mentioned there. Their sound is derivative and not cutting edge. It may combine many different types of music, but alternative rock is not some magical umbrella category for anyone that's different. --SpacePope 18:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Alternative rock consists of many different sounding bands, and most people obviously agree with it since it has not been changed already. Do you have any suggestions for a different genre? Rock is too broad of a genre to have for a band. Alternative rock seems to fit the band better than just rock so unless you can suggest something better to replace alt rock with, just let it go. Tim Y (talk) 20:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that it is wrong, and Panic! has been named as rock for a long while before this alt rock change. I agree rock is a very broad category, but have you read the wiki page on the different subgenres that correspond to Alt rock? Panic! doesn't really connect to them; it fits better with Punk rock, as a broad category. I know that doesn't feel right either, but just look, in all honesty, alt rock just isn't right to describe what Panic! is. --SpacePope 20:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed Big Beat, to keep it simple they arent big beat. --Neon white 23:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

A genre related to punk that describes them is Emo, that works best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.225.119 (talk) 23:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I've lost alot of respect for wikipedia for declaring Panic! emo when neither the band members or music is emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knight Whitefire (talk • contribs) 20:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

If you like them, you wouldn't care what genre they are, Emo is their style, alot of things on wikipedia can cause you to lose ' repect for it.

Just because emo isnt a very respected style and you do like Panic! doesn't mean that Panic! aren't emo. Emo had 5 reliable sources. You can't just remove them because you THINK that Panic! is not emo. You need a basis for this belief, otherwise it doesn't mean anything. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ (talk) 02:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

First off Panic!'s music and members are not emo, emo music is screamo hardcore music which if you've even listened to the album you know they aren't, while the band themselves are not emo, they don't write poetry, dress emo, dye their hair black, or cut themselves, and the biggest thing they don't hate life. Another thing to back this up is a video of Pete Wentz of Fall Out Boy saying when he met them they all looked blink-182 wannabes this is backed up by the fact they were a blink covers band (Who happens to be punk/pop) and by the video in which Pete says this. Another thing is Panic! and their fans and many reliable resources say that Panic! aren't emo just "Rock", and believe me I have many resources I'm just choosing which ones to use since theres about 10. And finally the last bit is their new music from their second album here's a sourced statement: "The group cemented its current direction with a song called "Nine in the Afternoon." "It's influenced by the music our parents listened to: the Beach Boys, the Kinks, the Beatles," says Ross. "Our new songs are more like classic rock than modern rock. We got older and started listening to different music – and this seems like the natural thing to do right now." http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/11/16/in-the-studio-panic-at-the-disco-with-bonus-pete-wentz-video-interview/ And to further back this up here's two videos where they perform two new songs, Nine In The Afternoon (This is actually a recorded version that they played for about 57 second on Heroes, although the full song is live on YouTube my comps freezing up) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoriN18Xp5k and "Middle Of Summer" live at Reading Fest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2brsx02C24 Now I'll be back when my compm stops freezing up. Knight Whitefire (talk) 21:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

You keep repeating the same thing, "Panic!'s music and members are not emo, but this is just what you think. Rock is much too broad of a genre to describe them as. Alternative rock is probably the most general genre that describes them the best, but emo was added with 5 sources. It doesn't matter how many sources you have that don't say they're emo. What matters is the sources saying they're emo. If you have reliable sources stating that they're some other genre, feel free to add it to the infobox, but emo should not be removed since it is against Wikipedia policy to remove info that has reliable sources backing it up. Your claims that their music has changed don't apply yet because the second album has not been released. Once it is released, and once there are sources including the second album's genre that state that Panic! is some other genre other than emo, the emo listing should be removed. But since this has not happened yet, and we are not sure exactly what style the next album will be, emo needs to stay. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Last I checked, a band's genre was, in fact, based on the sound. Not the audience. Vael Victus (talk) 01:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Reading collapse

Facts: Brendon Urie was hit on the right eye by a bottle thrown from a member of the crowd. He continued singing for a second (normal physical response; he thought briefly he could continue; split second for pain to register). He then fell to the floor. All this is shown in a video on Youtube. He was on the floor surrounded by paramedics, stagehands and the rest of the band. After about 7 minutes he got up and stormed off the stage, angrily throwing something to the ground. He was only coaxed back onto the stage after a further couple of minutes by talking to his bandmates while the crowd both booed and chanted 'Panic!' Apparently he then said somthing along the lines of 'You can't take me out', though noone I knew who was there with me heard this. They then continued their set from the exact point they stopped. 139.184.30.17 11:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

He was down for as along as 7 minutes? Only seemed like a couple to me.

It hit him in the shoulder, the video proves that it was nowhere near his head. anyone who says it hit him in the eye is a fucking fanboy. all it was was just attention seeking, even if a glass bottle hit me in the eye i would not be down for 7 Mins then storm off, a sissy girl is what he is. (i had a brick hit me clean in the head when i was on site and i felt abit dissy for a while) dont try to cover up that fact hes a wimp, and no im not a anti panic person, i think it wrong trying to cover up all the bad things about the band. its stupdi that panic did not just laugh it off. bands get bottled all the time, no need to be pansy about it!

Sure.... Liar. If you got hit in the eye with a glass bottle, it would either shatter or knock you unconscious for LONGER than seven minutes. Stop being such a dick. - Signed Captin Fanboy.

hes a weak little dick, gotta agree with the bloke who says it fanboish to stick up for them over that, but i do think it hit him in the eye, but even still its still gay sto storm off and be out of it for 7mins, it take alot to KO normal ppl

He actually got hit with a filled 7-Up bottle in the eye (He says so in a Youtube video in which he is interviewed and it has as much relevence considering we are basing section on a Youtube video of him being hit) there is a picture of it on Photobucket I would show it except I'm new to how to successfully add pictures and statements (Or to rather get copyrights and so on). May I say that was childish behavior and writing from whoever posted the last few statements. Knight Whitefire 06:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

He did get hit in the eye and it was a filled plastic bottle as you say. The video described above isn't exactly the best qualtiy and it's filmed from the side that the botte was thrown at, so of course you're not going to be able to tell where it hit based on this. Being plastic - not glass - it wouldn't shatter as that comment above says, but being filled with liquid it sure would hurt. PseudoNym (Contact me) 12:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh and can people sign their posts, thanks PseudoNym (Contact me) 12:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I found in a radio interview with Ryan Ross (YouTube video) that Ryan said that bottle throwing was a tradition and he said that Brendon was blocking bottles being thrown at the rest of the band while dodging bottles being thrown at him (Brendon), and that he just didn't see the bottle that hit him. Knight Whitefire 00:11, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

According to MTV USA & Myspace Panic! at the disco are not catagorized as emo but punk/alternate —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.63.62.143 (talk) 11:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe no one has noticed but some one changed the Members names. Who ever this person is is very retarded. Also some one put something about taking poctures up their noses? Please some one remove these. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.231.60 (talk) 01:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

NME Worst Band 2007

I checked the facts and found a reference (from DrownedInSound) proving they did win Worst Band 2007. Being an encyclopaedia, you can't just leave out the bits you don't agree with.

Exactly, this is not a fan page. you cant hide all the miss-achivements they have and make the page all glorious. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.47.104.180 (talk)

I completely agree. It shoulden't be deleted that they won worst band. I have the magazine to prove it.

I think it should be expanded upon as well. You can't just have "Worst Band 2007" award stuck at the bottom of the article with the article proper talking about the bands achievement, musical style etc in a positive way. Surely there should be a "Criticism" section? Someone who knows more about the band should do so, and soon.

I certainly agree with NME and I think it should be added to the criticism section in chronological order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.225.119 (talk) 16:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why this section of the page worst band highlighted with bold text to make it stand out.. Also it has a referance unlike all the other awards. This is very cynical and done in hatred. I think it should be altered at least.

Yeah,this should be the worst band ever,right up there with fall out boy and insane clown posse.Honestly how can you even call yourself rock when you use circus music in your songs.This band needs to hurry up and die out,there's nothing good about them.4.235.190.44 (talk) 00:58, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Naming

It's Panic! at the Disco, not Panic! At The Disco. Can someone change the article back please. PseudoNym 23:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

The capitalisation appears throughout the article. Thanks RedDeadeye for the change in the opening line but if you or someone else could do the rest, that'd be grand. PseudoNym 07:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 08:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

The only thing I'm worried about is that the change is wrong, because the P!ATD website has it like Panic! At The Disco, that's also how it is on Panic!'s Myspace, and even the FueledByRamen music videos on Youtube have it spelt with capital A and T.

Fair play. When they started out about 15 months ago I rememeber that it was Panic! at the Disco, but it seems they now go under Panic! At the Disco, with only the 't' remaining lower case. That's if you ignore their vaudeville type face where they have a tendency to write PANIC! AT THE DISCO. I'll leave it for now though, but I will no longer revert changes if it does get changed to Panic! At the Disco.

If it does get changed though the page would likely have to be moved to remain correct. PseudoNym (Contact me) 13:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

In Proper English all the common words (a, the, it, etc.) are not capatilized so it should be Panic! at the Disco, even if they put it on their website as P!ATD —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.113.105.84 (talk)

I'm just here to contest the above comment, "all the common words (a, the, it, etc.) are not capatilized {sic}", the word "it" in song titles and whatnot tends to be capitalised. Common words, I suppose, would include: most if not all prepositions (with, from, etc.) and, indeed, common words or articles, more aptly in the case of "a", "an", or "the".

And, yes, Panic! at the Disco is the bandname, however unorthodox it may seem. Qwerty (talk) 06:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I've been thinking about this for awhile and now that Panic!'s page will be bombarded with views I thought we ought to change the page and band name to the actual name Panic! At the Disco not Panic! at the Disco. Just wanted to share that because Panic! At the Disco is the true name. Knight Whitefire (talk) 01:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I've seen all three ways of capitalizing the band name, although on the official website it is "Panic! At the Disco". Since this is the band's official website, it probably is the actual name. I don't think it's against any policies to capitalize "At", though it is improper English. I would've changed it by now if I knew nobody would object, but if it is changed, there will probably be a great deal of arguments over it which will probably result in the name getting changed back again anyway. But that's just my opinion. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ(^talk/_contribs) 02:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Panic has officially changed their name to "Panic At The Disco" (with no exclamation point and those exact capitals). This information was obtained through their My Space page. Can someone please change the name of the article to reflect this? Gyokusho (talk) 18:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Cover Songs

I know it might be minor, but if someone could add Counting Crow's Round Here in the Live Preformances section it would be great. They do cover that song in a concert (although at this point in time I have forgotten)

I'll add it if you can find a reference for it PseudoNym 23:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

It's in the 12th citations website in the lyrics section. Knight Whitefire 06:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, they also did a cover of Queen's "Killer Queen". It's fairly new, though.

Also in the 12th citation along with many other songs that I've heard them do on Youtube. Knight Whitefire 06:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok I just added all the songs they've done covers of in the article. Knight Whitefire 09:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

P!ATD recently performed an acoustic cover of What's My Age Again by blink-182 live in LV, with Mark Hoppus, when +44 had to cancel their show due to band member unavaliability. The video is readily accessible on youtube. Please update :)

Already done, just remember I'm on every day getting rid of vandalism, updated the article with references and adding information. Knight Whitefire 23:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

At the August fifth show at the Virgin Festival in Baltimore, they covered "The Weight" by The Band. there is audio available on the panic at the disco official boards. 24.74.141.22 03:58, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

At Decaydance Fest in Paris, they inserted parts of Fall Out Boy's cover of Roxanne by the the Police into Camisado. There is video on youtube of this. 24.74.141.22 03:11, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

Hannah Montana

Although they are only breifly mentioned in the Disney Channel show Hannah Montana, they are mentioned in the episode "You Gotta Fight for Your Right to Party." Jackson Stuart says that he is taking his date to a Panic! at the Disco concert. I believe that this should be put in the article somewhere, perhaps in the trivia section, but I am not entirely sure. Since you cannot edit the article, I will post this here. Although I do not have internet citation for this, I am watching that episode right now and have seen the episode many times. Thank you. Savannahx 04:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)SavannahX

If you can show me the citation then I'll get it done for you. John 05:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia states that it is not just a book of trivia. It should really only be included if it can be worked into the article, or is of significant interest. PseudoNym 07:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Eh. I wish I had citation but I can't seem to find it. I've looked a ton. And as a question, Wikipedia won't put something like that up when they'll do that on every other page? Savannahx 04:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean the citations or the trivia section?

Citations- since Wikipedia shows up almost always in the first 3 hits on a google search, people look at what we say- all our information has to be accurate, and not perhaps rumours- that's why we have to reference virtually everything.

Along the lines of trivia pages, have a look at WP:TRIVIA- as this is a large article, the trivia section gets cluttered, hard to read and these sections are generally not found in an encyclopedia.

Also, a richer article has the trivia points in the main body.

I hope that answered your questions to your satisfaction. Cheers- CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 08:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

P!ATD recently performed an acoustic cover of What's My Age Again by blink-182 live in LV, with Mark Hoppus, when +44 had to cancel their show due to band member unavaliability. The video is readily accessible on youtube.

Time To Dance - Carrie

I keep trying to add in the trivia secton that the begining of "Time To Dance" is a quote from Carrie by Steven King "Well she's not bleeding on the ballroom floor, just for your attention". i have worked it in with the current trivia statement of that song. Someone keeps removing it, would this be suitable trivia knowledge? --Benmooe 09:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe so because it probably just a coincidence. Ryan has stated all the references of the songs to pop culture and not once has he stated he got this line from Steven King. In fact he's gone on record and said the whole song was from Invisible Monsters. Knight Whitefire 20:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

You know though, it really could be a reference. Because Ryan seems to like weird books and stuff, you know, he's probably read Steven King books. Chuck Palahniuk is like, a weird horror shock writer, and it'd make sense if he read Carrie, too. IMO, this needs looking into. 24.74.141.22 13:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

New Album

One of my [friends] told me that their new album is going to called " A Modern Fairytale " and is to be released on 10/13/07 can any one confirm this

For now it seems that's just a misquote when they were talking about their new material, describing it as 'a modern fairytale'

Ryan Ross has stated in multiple interviews that the album is "a modern fairytale, a children's fairytale for adults, and a love story" yet he has never actually stated what it's name is so I believe this to be a misquote.

Ok, it says in the article that they have written only 8 songs for there new album even though in a Myspace bulletin they said they were finishing up there last song and that they were starting recording in a few weeks. So I believe that we should take out the 8 songs written part because if an album usually has about 11 songs and they say they are about ready to record that means that around 11 songs are written.

Forget the number of songs, just say they're about to record. we can't imagine how many songs there will be in the record. it can be either 30 in 30 minutes, or 9 in some 2 hours =). okay, they aren't quite progressive to make a double album with 2 tracks, but still we're uncertain.

män-et-arms 02:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Their publicist and manager have both confirmed that they began recording on June 3, 2007 in studios in Nevada and New York.

We need sources- to remain verifiable. CattleGirl ^{talk | sign!} 07:03, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

ok lets straighten things up a bit..... on there wiki pg it said that the album is going to be called a gothic circus ok..oh and if u have any q'a about it IM me (AIM) emoxnatexpatd

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HMV.co.uk says August 20th, 2007 as the release date. (125.238.230.202 07:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC))

Nothing has been confirmed though, we still don't have a name for the album or a set release date, and Panic would have posted this on their MySpace or their webstie. Knight Whitefire 13:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The bands publisher announced a target release of around January or February 2008. Knight Whitefire 02:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

The song they played at Summerfest on July 7th 2007 is called 'True Love' whereas Wiki says it's untitled. Could someone change this?

It is untitled people who have seen the video are calling it True Love because it's easy to remember, Panic! even said seconds before they sang the song that it was untitled. Knight Whitefire 22:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Well i read on the Panic! Fan Site that a backstage worker that was at Summerfest 07 saw Panic!s song sheet and they said the song is called Simplistics of True Loves Firsts

In an interview with MTV Panic! said that the new songs were probably not even going to make the cut for the album, just thought a couple people might want to know this.

Actually they only said that It's True Love might not make the cut. Knight Whitefire 20:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

In an interview at Decaydance Fest in London, Ryan said that they were still writing and had not yet begun to record the new album. You can watch the video on the offical P!ATD livejournal. 24.74.141.22 03:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Well yeah we already knew that, Panic! are going to finish all of their shows and then once they finish the last one which is the Street Scene 2007 then they are going to go recording from October through the winter, and they will try to get the record out January or February of next year. Knight Whitefire 08:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

lol, hey forget that edit. i'm late. on topic, i believe panic mentioned they might use the songs on the scrapped album as b-sides? or was that speculation? 24.74.141.22 01:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Brendon stated in an interview that Panic! was 3/4 done with the record that would have came out this month, but then decided that they didn't want to have to play these super complex songs that would make live performances super unfun for them, so because they really like the songs they made they are keeping the demos and are discussing releasing them as a B-Side. Knight Whitefire 02:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

From what i've heard, they're ditching everything but Nine In The Afternoon Doc Strange 16:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Thier song "True Love" really reminds me of Aladdin before I even found out about Ryan's comments. Just thougth I'd toss it out there.

Just a point on this section in the article on Panic!, it says: "Oh, hello Glad you could make it Did you have any trouble finding the place? Hope you enjoy" The website currently has an image which is rumored to be the title of the new album. It has a fill-in-the-letters, crossword style, which says "_O_ _D_N_ _H_V_ _T_ _ _ _R_Y_". It is thought by many at this time to mean "YOU DONT HAVE TO WORRY". In addition, highlighting the page reveals a clock in the top left corner. The clock shows 9:00, most likely referring to one of their new songs, "Nine in the Afternoon". the crossword style bit comes up if you go to their myspace page and then click on the link to their website. so far this is correct... what they didn't get is that if you scroll down on that page, the letters to fill in the gaps are about two thirds of the way down. it does actually spell 'you dont have to worry', and i reckon that is where the rumours came from... can you check this and add it to the article if the same thing happens with you... it wont let me edit it because im a new member. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liner lover89 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to say on their actual website, it has now been updated an there is now a second puzzle piece which you can hover over to hear a clip of music. The lyrics are "We're so sorry we've been gone". It might just be me but they could be indicating that they're going to announce something, which would fit being their album, as the lyrics have been "Oh how its been so long" and "We're sorry we've been gone". Also, if you view the source, it also now says "HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!".

The article already describes the music sample. All this is already in the article. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ(^talk/_contribs) 21:19, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The original puzzle piece in the top left hand corner clearly says "Oh how it's been so long" yet the person who edited this update on wikipedia has written "Oh help it's been so long." I'll admit that it is not entirely clear what Brendon is singing, however it sounds much more like the former and this option makes a lot more sense as 'help' doesn't seem to fit. Could someone please change this. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.12.27.137 (talk) 10:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Recently on January 1st 2008 Panic! posted a blog on there myspace talking about there going into the studio in London to record there album and mix it and they have put up the unfinished version of a song entitled We're So Starving which the lyrics explain there the same band and you dont have to worry about them changing and how there sorry for being gone cause theyve been writing songs for the fans

Logo

Ok so i uploaded the logo a while ago and it was deleted, today i think?. It's known that it's Patd's logo. I got it from the Decaydance website. So i guess i will just put that as the source where i got it from? And i'll upload it again if that is a good enough source. PrincessOfHearts 23:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Images

I have removed the album covers from the album cover discography because fair use of album covers only applies to articles about the albums, they cannot be used on an article about the artist, that's a copyright violation. And I had to remove the entire singles discography because it was written as an image gallery. If somebody wants to recreate it as a table like the album discography, then please do, but don't use the images. Corvus cornix 21:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Where does it say it's a copy right violation by the way? And also almost every other band has the images so good luck to you getting rid of them all.

Have you actually read the fair use rationale on the album covers' Image pages? It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of such covers solely to illustrate the audio recording in question, on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. (bolding mine). Use of the images in discographies on the artist page does not solely illustrate the audio recording in question. And the argument that we should keep violating copyright here because it's being violated elsewhere doesn't fly. Corvus cornix 18:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd just like to say (I don't feel like getting involved in a huge discussion, so forgive me) that the fair use rationale doesn't say it can only be used on the album page, it says "solely to illustrate the audio recording in question". As long as the image was being used to refer to the album itself (in the section about their albums, for example), I think that qualifies as illustrating the album. I think that's the rationale for using the images of albums on all the other artists' pages, as well. The word "solely" doesn't mean that the image can only be used once, it only means that it can only be used when it is completely dealing with the album, and since the section is about their albums, I think it kinda deals with them. Now, if someone was putting it in some other place that didn't deal directly with the album itself, that would be bad (that would be the "other uses"). And since there is obviously no way to obtain a non-free image of it, I think that their use on this page falls under WP:FU, which states "Cover art from various items, for identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item (not for identification without critical commentary)." The critical commentary is the context of the article in which the albums are discussed at length. And while researching this, I came across this page, which I will now defer to: Template talk:Non-free album cover I don't want to start a flame war or anything, as this seems to be a very high-strung topic... Thanks for your time! Sbrools ^{(talk . contribs)} 04:32, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Kerrang! nomination

They got nominated for best international band 2007. should that be put under awards? Because their other nominations were put there, and though they haven't won or lost this yet, shouldn't it be mentioned? that kinda leads into though, should the nomination section be seperated from the awards section?24.74.141.22 03:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Can someone correct Parlo Verde High School, not Palo Verde High School. And It was Summer League Rock, not Summer League. Brendon also plays violin and cello. AmieUrie 11:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Genre edit dispute.

Okay, it appears that Tim62389 has not actually thought of discussing the genre change. Anyways, does AOL count as a relibable source? I would like to ask Tim62389 to not refer to an edit dispute as vandalism and to assume good faith. Zazaban 23:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

If we discussed every little change made to every article on Wikipedia, I don't think anything would get done. AOL is not created by the band or the fans of the band and it is a reliable source. You're not giving any reason to say it's not reliable. You are just making assumptions based on nothing. I don't refer to edit disputes as vandalism. When someone removes sourced content, it is considered vandalism. This is an edit dispute, and you are vandalizing the page by removing the sourced content, which by the way has two sources, one of which is NOT AOL. I don't see how you could believe you are helping anyone or anything by removing doubly sourced content and replacing it with content that is not sourced at all. Tim Y (talk) 23:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

We don't discuss everything, however, this is a dispute, so we discuss it. Most disputes generally revolve around whether or or not content should be in the article, it is not vandalism. Zazaban 23:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, there have been lentghy debates on what the genre is, and It's not in anybody's interest to revive it. Zazaban 23:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

But you are committing vandalism by removing sourced content. You could've just added big beat back as another genre, though I don't think it is one of their genres, but instead you removed the sourced content and completely reverted my edits. Tim Y (talk) 23:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

That's not the defenition of vandalism. Vandalism is removing content for no reason. Zazaban 23:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you scan the genre dispute archive. Zazaban 23:48, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

You did remove the content for no reason. I've already read the discussion on the genre. All these novice users keep saying P!ATD is not emo because it's not on their MySpace page. Wikipedia policy prohibits the use of genres that are on the bands personal websites. These people keep saying to put what the band thinks of themselves as, but it's is not a subjective view of their genres and most likely not correct. Tim Y (talk) 23:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Hopefully everyone can be happy now. I didn't remove any content. I just added emo as one of the genres. Big beat is still there. Please do not remove the added genre anymore. Tim Y (talk) 00:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that adding emo to the genres is a terrible thing for a number of reason: First they aren't emo to begin with it's just that because they were a band found by Pete Wentz they are instantly named emo, Second they don't all and all of their fans don't consider them emo, Third emo is screamo hardcore heavy metal crap for music that is nothing like Panic! At the Disco at all, Fourth have you even heard any of their new songs at all or have you seen the numerous articles by many music magazines and such that all say that Panic! At the Disco aren't emo considering that your links aren't that reliable, updated, or known for knowing music, and lastly if you use the stupid they used were guy-liner as a reason for calling them emo, then your calling tons of bands emo such as Queen, Motley Crue, etc. Now I'm going to get the links that say they aren't emo by more important music figures and then I'm going to take emo off once and for all after I have the links (Although if you knew music you wouldn't be calling them emo) and it's conveiniant because I have them all on one site. Knight Whitefire 13:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok and here's what the Emo Music article says: "In an even more expanded way than in the 90s, emo has come to encompass an extremely wide variety of bands, many of whom have very little in common. The term has become so broad that it has become nearly impossible to describe what exactly qualifies as "emo".

Appropriately or not, emo has been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, Brand New, Bright Eyes, Coheed and Cambria, Death Cab for Cutie, Fall Out Boy, From First to Last, Funeral for a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Senses Fail, Something Corporate, The Starting Line, Story of the Year, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, The Used, and Underoath. The classification of bands as "emo" is often controversial. Fans of several of the listed bands have recoiled at the use of the "emo" tag, and have gone to great lengths to explain why they don't qualify as "emo". In many cases, the term has simply been attached to them because of musical similarities, a common fashion sense, or because of the band's popularity within the "emo" scene, not because the band adheres to emo as a music genre." I'd also like to mention that at the bottom of the wiki isn the related it says "Emo (Slang),Screamo, Straight edge, Emo rap" none of which describe Panic! at all. Another point I'd like to bring up is Panic! does not have special popularity within the "emo" scene but with pretty much every scene or clique none to high school, and plus why add a high school clique as a genre of music anyway we don't have "skate music", or "prep music". Now I'll be working on bringing you my links to articles that state they aren't emo and samples of their new music that you can't argue is emo at all. And finally I've been maintaining all of Panic!'s wikis since March of last year and this conflict upon genres was resolved up until you guys started to change it, so I would like to change the genres back to what they wer before you had to change everything to your liking. Knight Whitefire 02:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

geez, don't have a shitfit. i think that b/c the word emo is so vague and somewhat perjorative, we shouldn't use it as a genre. (but seriously, i read the genre dispute thing, where the hell are these elements of baroque? baroque was a movement in the 17th century!) 24.74.141.22 (talk) 21:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Heights

I know this is probably really weird, but I've looked all over for them, and I still can't find them. Does anybody know how tall ANYONE in Panic! at the Disco is? Just one person is great, if that's all you know. Thanks!!! rockerchic_22 <3 Panic! at the Disco 03:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I think Ryan's 5'9.

ryan said he is 5'1 brendon is 5'5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.215.43.104 (talk) 18:52, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Ryan is 5"10, Spencer is 5"11 Brendon is 5"8 and Jon is 5"9. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.229.232.194 (talk) 19:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Outfit change?

Should we mention that their old outfits (makeup, circusy stuff) are now replaced with hippie/cowboy outfits? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.236.133 (talk) 04:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Well they have announced that they have offcially stopped doing the circus show they have not made a statement on being hippies on stage.Could you post a link to a video of them dressed up like that?Parralax (talk) 01:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Emo band

I think these guys are Just "Emos in a band" but not an actual emo band, like paramore being christians in a band, but not a christian band. I think people look at them and think emo, and the music doesn't really matter then, but they are just a rock band, as stated themselves. I would say they were Rock, Techno and Indie rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt 14 (talk • contribs) 16:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

• The band has been called "emo" by NME, Rolling Stone and The New York Times (although this reference is not currently being used in the article). If that many major publications think so, then it's worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not about tilted viewpoints, it's about giving a solid, comprehensive look at any subject. If the references to Panic! at the Disco being called emo were removed, the article's comprehensiveness would be forfeit. Maybe a section in the lead could be added about how they are often called emo, but they deny it? That would probably be the best solution. JimmyBlackwing 07:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

That is not the best solution, but rather keep it the way it is.

If you don't like them being called emo, that doesn't give you the right to remove genres with five sources. The genres already listed have been agreed upon and should not be changed unless a concensus is reached on different genres, but for now just keep it the way it is. And next time start this discussion BEFORE changing the genres to your liking. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ (talk) 11:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

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"Nine In The Afternoon"

Apparently, and I've checked the credits on the show--the episode of Heroes last night "Cautionary Tales" featured the song "Back to the Streets" by Panic! at the Disco. Is this a new song or just a b-side, because I've never heard it before and it's not listed under the 2nd Album subheading?68.117.23.170 (talk) 22:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

It is mentioned, they've been playing it often at concerts over the past few months. It was only recently recorded, so it is assumed to be on the new album, and very likely will be. I have a good feeling that this song will be their first single, as they said they had one coming out in the next few weeks and it's the first studio song we've heard. Originally fans called it "Back to the Street", but now it's being called it "Nine In The Afternoon", as I think Ryan or Brendan said the name at a show (but maybe that was just 'Middle of Summer'). I guess we can change the name to 'Back to the Streets', now that we have a somewhat official source, citing it may be an issue, but it least it's more official than fan guesses and youtube titles. I'm suprised the Heroes creators got hold of the song so early, i'm guessing the album has probably been recorded, but anyway the name must be official if they were able to get a copy, when you think about it. Vality (talk) 08:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Just fixing it to "Nine In The Afternoon" because that's the songs actual name. Knight Whitefire (talk) 00:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I take it you didn't even read this? The name Back to the Streets was listed in the credits of heroes. Do you have a source for the name Nine In The Afternoon other than youtube titles? Vality (talk) 00:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes actually many resources, Pete Wentz the label owner has said the songs name is Nine In The Afternoon and I if you were to scroll and click on the rollingstone reference I put in the genre dispute and watched the video he calls the song Nine In The Afternoon. There's also a video of Ryan Ross saying the songs name right before playing it which is why people got confused because they nicknamed the song Back To The Streets for lack of a better name (Plus that phrase is a major part of the chorus) then you also have Panic! saying in a bunch of interviews the name of the song (If I do recall there's multiple references in the article that prove this). And lastly although less important I actually keep up to date on Panic! everyday and I've been listening to Nine In The Afternoon and "Middle Of Summer" ever since they were first played live, I even have the lyrics to the live versions (The recorded one in Heroes had lyric changes compared to when they performed the song at Decaydance, Summerfest, and Reading and Leeds fests). Knight Whitefire (talk) 06:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah and the songs next single is coming out in January 08 not Christmas, and the CDs coming out in February/March 08 (Comes directly from management, but I'll get the stupid sources). Knight Whitefire (talk) 06:08, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I've heard it called Back to the Streets, Nine in the Afternoon, and Back to the Streets (Nine in the Afternoon). I'm pretty sure it's just Nine in the Afternoon, but I just thought I should mention that. --98.203.247.43 (talk) 05:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)