Talk:Pakistani cuisine/Archive 1

Archive 1

A note

This page has been edited time and again without first discussing what changes are to be made, the quality was good a month or so again, but it has again been reverted into a substandrad article.

http://www.ourpakistan.net/food.htm is a copy of this page, they're violating GFDL. Cruccone 20:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I am removing the Murree brewery part from the drinks sections as alcholic drinks are not just restricted to pakistani cuisine.

I have made significant changes to the article to get rid of bias and to write an article that is a better representitive of the standards of Wikipedia and the Cuisine of Pakistan. -Qbadge

Mentioning India

I don't think mentioning India is wise as we are discussing pakistani cuisine here.best to do is create seperate sections for each ethnic group as their cuisines slightly differ.When mentioning the Muhajirs then we can add the indian connection.I am of Baloch descent and I can tell you my food is very different from North Indian.If we say all pakistani food is similar to North india then we are getting into generalizaions which is the main problem with the article.-Vmrgrsergr 22:50, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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Yeah i think we should mention each province cuisine as they are somwhat different.Al of them yet are part of Pakistani cuisine.-Vmrgrsergr 22:52, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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Kk loach 10:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)Yes, I agree with both of you there should be more links in this page mentioning the different foods according to the provinces of Pakistan.Kk loach 10:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Except most of the common foods are from the Punjab, Sindh, Kashmir and the NWFP, not Baluchistan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.255.202.121 (talk) 07:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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This article really carries its denial of links with Indian cuisine to absurd lengths and ridiculous depths. It goes to prove the verity of the old dialectical adage that identity and difference are indivisible. A refusal to acknowledge affinities masks deep insecurities, puerile defensiveness and and is ultimately counterproductive to elucidating what constitutes the differentia specifica (if any) of "Pakistani" cuisine. Instead the article comes across much as the Pakistani state-building exercise itself - as a spurious and incredible attempt to manufacture a distinctive (cultural and political) identity. And I speak as a lover of "Pakistani" food.

Better description of Pakistani cuisine needed

As a Pakistani myself, I see Pakistani cuisine as something hard to pin down exactly. Its based in the various provinces. I generally like to split it between provinces on either side of the Indus. Food on the east side (Punjab and Sindh) is generally of the same kind found in India and other parts of South Asia, whereas food found on the west side (NWFP and Baluchistan) is of the kind usually found in the Iranian plateau. Besides, there's much Central Asian and Middle Eastern influence even on the South Asian cuisine of the country, such as on Mughalai food. This same influence exists in Indian cuisine too. We should describe it as a diverse cuisine whose patterns of similarities range on either side of the Indus as well as across the Indus. Its not like Pakistan was this separate country in ancient history which had all these cuisines brought to it. It was created out of various diverse regions with distinct cuisines of their own, each modified in their own right by various influences.

arijit dodul (talk) 13:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)I think this is a very pragmatic representation of Pakistani cuisine. However, I will like to add the Indian/Pakistani Chinese food. I have had 'Chinese' dishes at Pakistani restaurants in Dubai and middle east which are a type of their own. It is quite similar to the Indian Chinese variety but generally contains more meat, is more spicy, less of Ajino Moto and no pork. It has a strong taste of its own arising from the 'bhuna' effect on the meats in soya and chilli sauces. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arijitdas65 (talk • contribs) 12:58, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Um...

The article says "It is a distinct blend of foods from Afghanistan and Iran with strong culinary influences from the Middle East"

Why is India not mentioned when Pakistan's cuisine is nearly identical to North India's? It seems like some people are in the midst of an identiy crisis. Give me a break...I am changing this. Hopefully in the future, people will not try to manipulate fact with anti-Indian sentiment. Okaywhatever (talk) 20:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any proof that Pakistan's cuisine is nearly identical to North India? Or any proof that people are in the midst of an "identity crisis" or that people are "manipulating fact with anti-indian sentiment"? Pakistanis know what Pakistani cuisine is like. This is an encyclopedia not a place to act in a childish manner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qbadge (talk • contribs) 17:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

haha, you know, for a cuisine that's so mixed, the majority of it sure looks 'Indic' to me.

That's because Muslims have ruled India for a 1000 years...lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.141.53 (talk) 20:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

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Qbadge,
perhaps you can give me proof that pakistani cuisine is a distinct blend of foods from afghanistan and iran with strong culinary influences from the middle east? http://www.contactpakistan.com/pakfood/main/index.html i honestly challenge you to tell me how many of those recipes are closer to iran and the middle east than india,
thank you so much!!!
Okaywhatever (talk) 21:15, 7 January 2009 (

Layout of the article

Well, it was surprising to see that Indian cuisine was not even mentioned once in this article while several references to Middle Eastern cuisines were made. I smell anti-India bias here. I'm glad that the article on Indian cuisine mentions the commonalities between South Asian cuisines. Anyways, getting back to the point, the article should have sub-sections on regional cuisines like Punjabi cuisine, Sindhi cuisine, Peshawari cuisine and Baloochi cuisine rather than having sub-sections on various Pakistani dishes. Cheers --Enigma Blues (talk) 05:13, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Curries - contradiction or incorrect grammar?

The opening sentence of "Curries" section doesn't make sense and is grammatically incorrect :

   "Curries, with or without meat, combined with local vegetables such as bitter gourd, ... ,saag is one of the least common and unoften cooked for everyday eating and drinking."

Aside from being plain wrong grammatically (one of the least coomon what?), does the sentence mean that curries are a rarity in Pakistani cuisine? But in the next two sentences, the reader is given to understand that karahi and korma (I edited the last sentence on korma to make it grammatically correct, by the way) are types of curry and both are said to be very popular! Contradiction? Or is the first sentence simply incorrect and what was actually meant "curries are common and are often cooked"?

Indian Cuisine

When will people realize that the cuisine of Pakistan is actually a diverse mixture of cuisines that were inherited during partition. Over 63 years ago there was no such thing as "Pakistan"; Pakistan is a blend of Islamic, North Indian (including Mughal), Punjabi, Balochi, Kashmiri, Sindhi, Pakhtun, Persian and various other cultures; there will be variations from region to region but you can't claim that there is no influence of North Indian culture, because there IS...because technically modern day Pakistan, including the 4 provinces was known as the North-West of India before partition...i live in the UK, i have never seen a restaurant with "Pakistani Cuisine" written on it... it's always "Indian" or if others are included then "Afghan" and "Persian" are also written... some Pakistani restaurants just write "Punjabi"... but the term "Indian Cuisine" just refers to the food of South Asia... the greater Indian Subcontinent... it doesn't specifically mean just India, it includes all the countries i.e. Bangladesh, India and Pakistan (which were part of PrePartition India before). That doesn't mean I'm defaming Pakistan in any way, it's an amazing country and very rich in culture, but i'm just trying to make a simple point here that don't get things confused just coz something is named in a particular way. Just for the record, i'm actually british-born pakistani, so don't think i'm being biased towards indians (not that i have anything against them,of course) Mk762007 (talk) 00:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. Although the Pakistani cuisine has its roots in indian cuisine, it has changed and morphed into a different category altogether. Here in the UAE, there are various restaurants serving Pakistani foods, which have a very distinct taste.

I also disagree because there was no single India for many centuries. It was a collection of various states or Rajs. Each region has its distinct flavor. South Indian cuisine is very different from the Punjabi cuisine. Bangla cuisine is very different from the Rajasthani Cuisine. There is only as much similarity between these as there is between Afghani food and GCC Arab food. So I would argue that there is no such thing as a single Indian Cuisine.

Foodistan

Hello there,

I have started creating an article at Foodistan. I would appreciate if editors could help increase the content of the article.

Many Thanks.

--Rvd4life (talk) 14:52, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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Changes required in the Rice Section

There are two mistakes in the section.

1. Pulao: Pulao has its roots in central Asian cuisine. It may trace its roots to Pilaf. It was brought into the subcontinent at various time, including but not limited to the Mughals.

1. Biryani: The Tahiri is separate class of dish altogether and clubbing it with biryani is an error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.42.195.74 (talk) 11:26, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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