Talk:Owha/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Panamitsu (talk · contribs) 08:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 00:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Reading now. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 00:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• The beginning of the article could do well with explaining that leopard seals are not regularly found in New Zealand.

• Done in the third paragraph of the lead, where they are described as a vagrant species. ―Panamitsu (talk) 20:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Being known for what Stuff has described as – I suggest to add "the news media website", otherwise the reader is kind of forced to click on the link to learn what Stuff is.

• I've implemented your suggestion but I was under the idea that the italics suggests that it is a news site or something like that. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

It is not strictly required but a nice service for the readers. Take the featured article Knut (polar bear) as example, which has this sentence in the lead: the German tabloid newspaper Bild. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 10:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• The lead section does not summarize the entire article. It would be nice to have something from the "Calls for removal" and "Research" sections in there, too.

• I've added two new paragraphs. What do you think? ―Panamitsu (talk) 05:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks good! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 10:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• The long form of her name, He owha nā ōku tūpuna, was given to her in 2016 by local hapū Ngāti Whātua ki Ōrākei – Does that mean that the short form was not given to her in 2016 by the local hapu? If it was, you could separate the first part from the second part to solve the issue (e.g., "The long form of her name, He owha nā ōku tūpuna, is Māori for "treasured gift from our ancestors". The name was given to her in 2016 by local hapū Ngāti Whātua ki Ōrākei."

• I've changed it to your version. ―Panamitsu (talk)

• She likes to sleep on pontoons,[7] which attracts – Shouldn't the article be in past tense?

• I was reluctant to use past tense because it is not known if she is dead or not. What do you think about this? ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Not sure. I would say "attracted" instead of "attracts", because we have no evidence that she still attracks these crowds. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 10:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Changed to "would attract". ―Panamitsu (talk) 20:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• pontoons – wikilink terms in both the lead and body.

• Done. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• but they were unable to remove a hook – should this mean "one of the hooks"? Or is this about a different kind of hook?

• I've clarified that this is an "internal hook" and gave and explanation for why it couldn't be removed. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• In April 2022, the Department of Conservation (DOC), Auckland Zoo and LeopardSeals.org worked together to remove fishing hooks, – Also, "worked together to" is very unspecific. What exactly did they do? Did they catch and deafen her?

• Changed to "worked together to cut free ... from her mouth by using a long pole with scissors on the end." ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• I would question the statement that leopard seals are "dangerous" as an overstatement, and that's also not what the source says (which says "seals are wild animals and will defend themselves if they feel threatened").

• I've changed it to "Because leopard seals may defend themselves when they perceive a threat, ..." ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Link "vagrant" to Vagrancy (biology)

• Done ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• from a vagrant species in New Zealand to residents. – The plural (residents" does not match with the singular "a vagrant species"). Maybe "to a native species", depending what the source says?

• I've changed the sentence to "... vagrant species in New Zealand to resident species," because the sources use "resident" and I'm not sure what the difference between a resident and a native species is. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• In the box: "Height 3.1 m (10 ft) (length)". What does this mean? Height or length?

• It means that her length is 3.1 metres, since I'm not sure if there's an infobox parameter for length. Do you think we should just remove it altogether? ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, remove, have a look at Knut (polar bear), which doesn't have the stuff. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 10:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Done. ―Panamitsu (talk) 20:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• "400 kg (882 lb; 63 st 0 lb)" – Do we really need the "0 lb" here? Isn't "882 lb" enough?

• I agree with you. I think it's a problem with the infobox template because the weight field accepts only a number instead of the convert template. I'm not sure if it's possible to fix it. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Remove, see above. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 10:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Done. ―Panamitsu (talk) 20:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• I am worried about the term "Biography", can we really apply this to animals? Maybe use a more neutral title?

• I'm a bit confused by this one because I had a look at the Cambridge Dictionary which defines biography as "the story of the life of a person written by someone else" (my emphasis), but I see some sources (eg [1]) which use "biography" with animals. I've changed this to "life" nonetheless. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• "foreign objects in her mouth" – this is very unspecific. "Foreign" does not provide any information, you could just remove this word without loosing any information. One source at one point says "plastic object", maybe you can write "objects such as pieces of plastic" or similar to make this more specific.

• Done. ―Panamitsu (talk) 20:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Sources review
  • Sources mostly check out, but the claim "Owha has not been seen since May 2022" does not seem to be supported by the source [26]. A Facebook post is not ideal as a source to start with, but the post is from June 2022, stating that the last sighting was in May 2022. That does not at all support the claim that this was the last sighting and there were no subsequent ones.
    • In July 2024 someone asked in the comments if Owha has been spotted again, and Leopard Seals NZ responded by saying "unfortunately not". I agree that we should have a better source, but I do think it verifies the information. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
      • I guess this falls under WP:SELFSOURCE, then, and should be ok. But please provide the author (the organization making the post) in the citation. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 11:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

        Not knowing which field to use, I've added Leopard Seals NZ as a publisher. Should it be something else? ―Panamitsu (talk) 20:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

        • I fixed that for you. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  • A few times Owha has had foreign objects get stuck in her mouth and come out naturally. – The part with "come out naturally" is not supported by any of the sources. I also don't think it adds much here anyways.
    • I agree. I've removed the sentence. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• That's all, thanks for this nice little article! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 00:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Hi Jens Lallensack, thanks for the review. I've addressed all of your comments, but was unsure what to do with a couple of them so I've asked a few questions. Your feedback to the changes and replies I've made will be greatly appreciated. ―Panamitsu (talk) 05:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks good! See a few replies above. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 10:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

All good now, promoting, and congrats! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 21:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.