Talk:Outdoor activities

Outdoor activities are not exclusively recreational?

Maybe current use of the term (in wikipedia) is prevalently for recreation, but what term is then to be used for other - professonal (and semiprofessional and volonteer... and everyday) activities outdoors?

Not every outdoor activity is recreation

It may be now most people live (or are going to live) in urban environment, but a lot of activities are (and even more historically were) done outdoor non-onl-recreationally too. Some examples:

• national parks wardens and alike
• mountain guides
• coaches for outdoor sports (sailing, rowing, skiing etc.)
• part of law enforcement
• part of coast guard
• bay watch and similar people (pro and volunteers)
• woodsworkers and game wardens
• people on bikes, rolerskates and similar human propulsion (and electrical etc.) devices, that use those for general urban (etc.) mobility - that is not only/always recreation
• people who deliver food and other stuf on bycicles etc., including postmen (or better: postpeople - not men only)
• a lot of traditioally/historicaly outdoor activities.

Even when now (often, but not everywhere) a lot of traditionally outdoors activities is done with closed vechicles (cars etc.,) part is still done on motorcycles and similar, and those IMO are outdoor activities.

Problem of "common knowledge"

Common sense depends on environment (in space, time and culture, which in this meaning includes all, informal and formal, education).

What everybody knew in one generation and environment (and nobody thought needed scientific study and peer reviewed published results) may be extinct knowledge in a generation or two, when people with that knowledge die off. Wikipedia - and society and civilisation in general - should be aware of that.

One side is about educating editors about being aware of their expectations what users already knew and what would be usefull (and notable) to them.

Windows used to be prevalently openings that admitted light and air into buildings - and alowed you to see outside, and still protected "in-windows" (usually called indoor) from weather and elements. Now most people think of "Windows" as of a tool they use to access information (many, but not everyone is aware it is operating system and is aware what operating system is). In future (if mankind survives long enough), windows in general may become historical term, if technolgogy (as it probably will) advances to other types of information technology interfaces, and if buildings grow to a size, that windows in 'classical' meaning go out of use also.

Read Name of the Rose for more (Umberto Eco and others also have teoretical work for further reading ;-).

Develop to disambiguation page?

I think this should develop from straight redirection to disambiguation page with

• outdoor activities (general and/or historical), *professional (some examples above),
• recreational (that can be default redirection, what may be expected from most urban users of en wikipedia.

Consensus about and before action

Of course, we need consensus both if action is needed (as is my opinion) and - if needed - what and how it is to be done, but I am not versed in wikipedia process about that, so I just lay the problem out here. --Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 09:11, 15 December 2020 (UTC)