Talk:Origen/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 03:57, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Will start soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 03:57, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Criteria

GA Criteria
GA Criteria: 1 1.a 1.b 2 2.a Y 2.b Y 2.c Y 2.d Y (Highest is 66.5%, however this is due to a shared directly quoted paragraph, and some incidental phrase similarities.) 3 3.a Y 3.b Y 4 4.a Y 5 5.a Y 6 6.a Y 6.b Y

• No DAB links Y
• No Dead links Y
• Images appropriately licensed Y

Prose Suggestions

Lede

• He was a prolific writer and wrote roughly 2,000 treatises suggest He was a prolific writer who wrote roughly 2,000 treatises
• Origen sought martyrdom alongside his father at a young age, but was prevented from turning himself in to the authorities by his mother. does this mean he tried to be martyred after his father was? If so, I suggest Origen sought to be martyred at a young age, after his father was, but was prevented from turning himself in to the authorities by his mother. if not, suggest Origen sought to be martyred with his father, at a young age, but was prevented from turning himself in to the authorities by his mother.
• became regarded by the churches of Palestine and Arabia as the ultimate authority on all matters of theology. suggest adding links to the articles of the Roman provinces (this may also help with any POV arguments that may arise out of using Palestine here, since the Romans did literally call it Palestine).

• Added overcite template for church father wikilink.

• There is a redlink for "His treatise On the First Principles".

— JoeHebda • (talk) 13:29, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

@JoeHebda: I have created an article for On the First Principles. I have removed citations in two of the four places you tagged as overcites, but I kept them in two instances because the statements that Origen was a church father and that he was a Subordinationist have both been challenged by editors in the past in it is likely that they will be challenged again unless they are extensively cited. Furthermore, I intentionally chose the citations supporting the statement that Origen was a church father to be representative of a variety of groups. The first citation is to a work written by a scholar of European history, the second to a scholarly work on early Christian thought, the third is to a sermon by Pope Benedict XVI, and the fourth to an evangelical Protestant reference work. The citations therefore demonstrate that he is considered a church father by a broad diversity of different groups. --Katolophyromai (talk) 14:41, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Thankyou Katolophyromai for the quick response. It is always great to see an article move into GA status. Cheers, — JoeHebda • (talk) 18:50, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Etymology

• He acquired it because of his severe ascetical practices. needs a citation at the end.

Life

• It is likely that, on account of his mother's status, Origen himself was not a Roman citizen. suggest Given that it is likely that his mother was not a Roman citizen, it is similarly likely that Origen himself was not one.
• but also about the Bible and Christian doctrine. suggest and also about the Bible and Christian doctrine.

Views

• One of Origen's main teachings was the doctrine of the preexistence of souls. Before God created the material world, He created a vast number of incorporeal "spiritual intelligences" (ψυχὴ). suggest One of Origen's main teachings was the doctrine of the preexistence of souls, that before God created the material world, He created a vast number of incorporeal "spiritual intelligences" (ψυχὴ).

Influence on the later church

• the Decretum Gelasianum (written sometime between 519 and 553) listed Origen as an author whose writings were to be categorically banned suggest the Decretum Gelasianum, which was written sometime between 519 and 553, listed Origen as an author whose writings were to be categorically banned
• @Katolophyromai: That is all my comments, passing now. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 19:01, 20 February 2018 (UTC)