Talk:Nox, Shropshire

Civil parish

I don't know where the confusion is coming from - perhaps a mix-up between ecclesiastical (CofE) parishes and civil parishes perhaps? Nox is in Westbury CP. It just is. Have a look on OS 1:25k maps or even better:

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The hamlet is in Westbury. Pontesbury borders to the east, wrapping itself around the hamlet core. Argovian (talk) 14:30, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

It is the civil parish - for the purposes of government by a Parish Council - which I was writing about. My citation is a guide to Pontesbury Parish (whose territory under discussion is based entirely on what was - at least then, 2012 - within the Pontesbury Civil Parish territory). It may be that there are some houses addressed as being at Nox that are in Westbury Civil Parish but the map of the Pontesbury Parish Boundaries indicates much of the houses, at a four-way road junction on the B4388, are within that of Pontesbury. Nox was anciently part of Pontesbury Parish, hence its discussion under Pontesbury Parish in the Victoria County History of Shropshire Vol VIII (1968). I happen to live near Nox, in a village that is also part of Pontesbury Civil Parish, where there are past residents buried in its (now disused) churchyard. As far as I have heard, the whole of Nox has not been annexed to Westbury in the time since 2012.Cloptonson (talk) 16:00, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this really doesn't make sense - why do the Ordnance Survey maps et al. show Nox then as part of Westbury? Have you clicked onto the link I provided and zoomed into Nox and selected the Civil Parishes overlay? Or the co-ords on the article page itself and then gone to a 1:25K OS map (showing the CP boundary)? The staggered crossroads is in Westbury. The various houses etc to the east of the crossroads are in Pontesbury. Argovian (talk) 16:09, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I did click the link and I made a reply which did not get saved because of edit conflict; I have looked at the linked map and found the parish boundaries of Westbury and Pontesbury seem to partition Nox to a more definite degree than appears on the map in the Pontesbury Parish Guide of 2012, which shows three arms of the staggered crossroads within the white area Pontesbury. The compiler of the guide, Richard Martinali, was, at the time of publication a Pontesbury Parish Councillor and the maps used were Crown copyright, permission of the unitary Shropshire Council. I could consult a current Pontesbury Parish Councillor to query the apparent discrepancy, and to adjust the information in the light of what I am told.Cloptonson (talk) 16:38, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

A Pontesbury Parish Councillor, whose ward I live in, has told me that the Parish Boundary runs through Nox, and that according to the parish council electoral register only four properties are in Pontesbury Parish. I have modified my description of the parish boundary situation accordingly.Cloptonson (talk) 19:03, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - I still suspect any discrepancy may be due to the civil and ecclesiastical parish boundaries diverging over time. The map in the guide could also simply not be particularly accurate regarding the parish boundary (the compiler used OS mapping for the 'base' of the map, and then drew on the boundary himself?) Argovian (talk) 22:08, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree, civil and ecclesiastical parish boundaries do diverge. Although my home village is within Pontesbury Civil Parish it is now (since 1990s) in the Ecclesiastical Parish of Hanwood. Nox is close to Yockleton, whose village church was primarily a chapel-of-ease to Westbury's.Cloptonson (talk) 13:16, 30 December 2014 (UTC)