Talk:Nike (mythology)

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I guess she was also the inspiration behind a certain brand of athletic shoes popular in the US... --Ed Poor

Isn't it pronounced "Naa-ee-kee" instead of "Nee-keh" as specified in the article? Gurry 07:38, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yes, it is in an English context. The article's given pronunciation is excruciatingly correct, and used by the kind of people who pronounce "cinema" with a hard c. (I understand the running shoe is generaly pronounced as a monosyllable.) --Wetman 07:42, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Any number of dictionaries will tell you that it's pronounced in English as NIGH-key as are the shoes.User:Myridon|Myridon 17:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Circular description of origin

In the article Angel, the following point is noted in the section "Appearence of angels":

"Images of angels in Christian art are identical to prior depictions of gods such as Zeus and Nike, in pre-Christian classical art, and some divine beings in Mesopotamian art. The use of wings suggests an original artistic convention merely intended to denote the figure as a spirit."

Does this conflict with the statement in this article on Nike that "Nike's image of wings owes a great deal to the Hebrew scriptures in their description of angels (Isaiah 6:2; Ezek 1:6-25, 10:5,8,19,21, 11:22; etc.)?" Did the Hebrew description of a winged supernatural being predate the Classical, or vice-versa? Is it certain which came first? Is it possible that they originate independently and converged to a strikingly similar artistic representation? I'm honestly confused about this. --InformationalAnarchist 18:39, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

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"In her best-known depictions, such as the Winged Victory of Samothrace ... she is shown as a naked or armoured winged figure." -- A slightly odd statement, given that the Winged Victory of Samothrace is neither naked nor armoured. -- 28 december 2005 no armerd she was never — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.113.186.210 (talk) 16:44, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Names derived from Nike?

Is the list of derived names on this page really correct? I would suggest that all of these are derived from the Greek word for victory (nikê) rather than the personified figure of the goddess. Nik- prefixed names are also not uncommon in Greek myth, and also as titles of gods, e.g. Nikephoros (victory bringer), with no reference to the goddess Nike intended. --Theranos 16:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Veronica

the article states that the name Veronica comes from Latin VERITAS and ICON which traslate linearly as True Portrait or True Image. The name was used to refer to a Christianity figure known through oral tradition to have wiped the face of the Jewish Christ or Messiah when being severerly punished by Roman soldiers in the event known as the Passion (and crucifixion). By no means does it refer to a greek goddess or it was derive from it it is historically and etimollgically incorrect. please remove such a reference. 181.60.239.24 (talk) 15:40, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

The etymology of "Veronica" you refer to (from Latin vera "true" and Greek eikon "image") is most probably a folk etymology, see for example the Online Etymological Dictionary, s.v. "Veronica", which instead derives the name from the "French Veronique, a variant of the Greek Berenike, which in turn comes from pherein "to bring" (from PIE root *bher- (1) "to carry") + nike "victory" (see Online etymological Dictionary, s.v. "Berenice). Paul August ☎ 16:10, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Paul August is right. Veronica is a Latin transliteration of the Macedonian name Βερενίκη (Berenike), which is the Macedonian form of the Athenian name Φερενίκη (Pherenike). The name literally means "Bearer of Victory." The story about it coming from Latin for "True Image" is a false folk etymology that arose during the Middle Ages in Western Europe. The name Veronica is garbled from its transmission from Greek into Latin and the people of western Europe, who were largely unfamiliar with the Greek language to begin with, failed to recognize the Greek name. In the absence of a clear Latin etymology, they invented one for it. The name Veronica actually predates stories of the Christian saint by that name, who is thought by most modern historians to be purely legendary and not a real, historical figure at all; she is never mentioned in the New Testament or any of the earliest Christian writings and only appears in later traditions. --Katolophyromai (talk) 04:08, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Was athena from Wisconsin?

Apparently, she is the goddess of cheese!

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.186.216.47 (talk) 03:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

What the crap?? I doubt this entire page... this is what gives wikipedia a bad name.

Page history merge

I have corrected a copy-and-paste move of this article by merging its page history with the other article. There may be a few odd-looking redirects in the history as a result, which do not seem to make sense without this information. - Mark 13:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalizing

I just reverted some vandalizing from 24.123.108.158...I propose a ban on his edits, as he/she has done nothing but vandalize wikipedia....Josewiki 19:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)Josewiki

Some sort of vandal bot?

I attempted to revert some edits done to this page "A shoe? Thanks Wiki" and had them autoreverted by a bot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.249.76 (talk) 04:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Nike's greek pronounciation is Nee-kay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.173.165 (talk) 17:45, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

the monkys took the tree —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.164.98.86 (talk) 18:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Generally Weak

I know that Nike does not have a tremendous presence in the popular literature about Greek mythology, but this entire article is a rather limp introduction to Nike. Did Nike really have wings because "victory is fleeting"? Victorious Greek athletes were revered as gods--hardly a temporary post. It is a rather cheap, modern sentiment; Nike's wings were more likely depicted to emphasize her role in bringing down victory from Mt. Olympus to bestow it upon mortals.

Please look elsewhere for real insight into the role of this goddess in the Greek religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delvebelow (talk • contribs) 16:33, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the note on victory being fleeting should be sourced if it is to be included. I've removed it for the time being as original research. —ShadowRanger ^(talk|stalk) 21:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Pop culture?

Granted most people want to feel like they're being useful and thus may feel compelled to contribute in any way they can, even if it is contrived and borderline off-topic, but does occurrences in this or that anime series for instance really belong on here? This is supposed to be something like an encyclopedia entry after all. You won't find references to cartoons if you look up Greek gods in the Encyclopedia Brittanica. Maybe pop culture references of something that was originally more modern, like no earlier than the 20th century (for example, say, the works of Isaac Asimov, or a famous fractal like the Mandelbrot Set), since they're at least close to being concurrent, or maybe some references if they were to appear in some classic literature like Shakespeare or Dickens or a work of art done by Michaelangelo even though they would all be many centuries later as well, but not this. Where do you draw the line? Daytime TV? Your favorite porno flick? Your child's school play? I think it detracts from the value of the page, myself. What do other people think? 174.25.78.121 (talk) 06:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I see both sides. Yes, anime doesn't seem to be an important cultural contribution in my eyes and do I need to know this? No. However, when I think of the cultural references included in "classic" cartoons that I was oblivious to as a child, I find them interesting and important. (Just why did Foghorn Leghorn say "That's a joke, son"?) I'd like anime fans to see the cultural link between characters and mythology, just as I'd like Harry Potter fans to realize the historical bases of Nicholas Flamel, the Philosopher's Stone, and Cerberus.

Where do you draw the line? I say definitely at porno flicks (favorite or not) and your kid's play. DBlomgren (talk) 21:01, 15 October 2011 (UTC)