Talk:Newquay/Archive 1

Archive 1

Query about reasons for editing

I received an emailed query about why/how I'd edited some additions to this page; response is on my Talk Page --Vamp:Willow 16:32, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cargo port?

Where is the evidence to back up the claim that Newquay is a cargo port> The only shipping I am aware of that occurs in Newquay is fishing, and even that is on a small scale.There are no ports in Cornwall that could claim to be a cargo port - Falmouth is the largest port in Cornwall, but it is essential for ship repair and cruise ship stopping off point. The nearest location that could possibly claim to be a cargo port would be Poole, otherwise the nearest is Southampton. Tinminer 12:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Newquay commercial website link

The followoing link: "Virtual Newquay - A series of 360 degree virtual tours of the town and surrounding coastline" has been reintroduced and cited as a reference which is not the case. Members Tinminer and Merikernow have removed it in the past, but it keeps being reintroduced for commercial reasons, what do others think?

Int980 17:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Spam Links

Those persons that continue to replace links which have been removed as spam please see Wikipedia's guidelines on external links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links

Links normally to be avoided:

"3. Links primarily intended to promote a website."

Trewornan 00:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

RE tikity boo link

I think this is spam and being constantly reintroduced for commercial reasons what do other users think??? Reedgunner 16:20, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe the person reinroducing it actually owns the site which counts as self-promotion? Special:Contributions/keithneda Im not singling it out. If other sites are spam they should go also Talskiddy 17:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Talskiddy is right, if this link is spam then how is the link to the "Official Newquay Guide" not spam - just because it's put up by the local council? That link should go as well. Trewornan 13:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

There is very little non-tourist content on the site, and it does not sit well as a link from an encyclopaedia in my opinion. If it had more historical information & photos of Newquay, I may have felt differently. It should go in my opinion, as should some of the others from this article.

Tinminer 18:49, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I see your point Trewornan, but why has the Official Newquay Guide been reintroduced? There is some good community information on Tickity-boo (i.e. C.A.B. education, health, etc - none on the Official Guide website. By the way, did you know that you have to pay at least £110 to join the NCCT website - is this advertising or just good information?Merikernow 22:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I removed the link to the Official Guide because I thought Keithneda made a good point when he asked what the difference was. As to why it has been reintroduced - you'll have to ask the person who did it. I won't remove the link again so if you agree with me I suggest you just go ahead and delete it. Trewornan 23:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry folks my mistake please during a recent edit I made a few cock ups including deleting the wrong link and adding the official guide back Reedgunner 10:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Tickity-boo is back again. Different poster, but I suspect it is the same guy. The site itself seems to be of some use, although not sure it sits well on an encyclopedia. I am happy to leave it there - but if anyone else has a different view, that is fine . Arghans (talk) 23:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Cargo port?

Where is the evidence to back up the claim that Newquay is a cargo port> The only shipping I am aware of that occurs in Newquay is fishing, and even that is on a small scale.There are no ports in Cornwall that could claim to be a cargo port - Falmouth is the largest port in Cornwall, but it is essential for ship repair and cruise ship stopping off point. The nearest location that could possibly claim to be a cargo port would be Poole, otherwise the nearest is Southampton. Tinminer 12:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Trevelgue Head

I've removed the reference to Trevelgue Head as the first sign of occupation in Newquay - Trevelgue Head is in Porth.

Oh yeah? and what parish is Porth in exactly?

Certainly Newquay is both a town and a parish so it is open to interpretation which is being referred to here; however the inclusion of this statement in the article would imply (to someone who didn't know) that the occupation at Trevelgue Head was the first sign of occupation in the 'town' of Newquay, this is incorrect and therefore misleading. I see the statement has been reintroduced so will wait for comments before deleting it again. Trewornan (talk) 02:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

The problem here is that before Newquay became a 'town', it was a tiny fishing village in the parish of St Columb Minor - so any mention of early occupation in the 'town' would also be misleading as Newquay was occupied well before it became a town.

Ok so now we're into semantic hairsplitting over the historical definition of "Newquay" but I think the more important point is what most people would commonly consider the meaning in an everyday context. I can't believe it's controversial to say that most people on hearing "Newquay" would understand that to mean the TOWN as it CURRENTLY exists.Trewornan (talk) 22:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Surfing... Surprisingly

Can someone please rewrite the section called "Surfing" it is poorly written. Overuse of the word surprisingly is one example. Chris Is Ace (talk) 23:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Newquay Fire

Not sure this requires mention. The incident was very sad but if we start to include fires of Newquay, I'm sure the list would reach to several pages.

I did wonder why it was there next to the film locations and the evacuated schoolgirls of Norfolk. It is a detailed news story and if mentioned at all should be abridged greatly: you could try deleting it and see what happens--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 23:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

St Michaels Church

On the main page it states that the church was built in 1911 and mentions the fire in 1993.

I think there is some confusion here. The original St Michaels Church was located on a site which was later used to build the back part of Woolworths store in the town (i.e at the Manor Road side of Woolworths. Hence the name for the small lane which runs down past the end of Ennors Road and beside Woolworths store - Church Path.

The current St Michaels church was built in the 1960s when the old St Michaels was demolished. From memory, the current church was dedicated around 1969.

Perhaps someone can research the detail and amend the section on Churches in the Newquay wikipedia entry.

Thanks :)

Mark

85.210.102.117 (talk) 00:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The church is in St Michael's Road to the east of Ennor's Road: possibly this was the site of the former chapel of ease but have not been able to verify. Was a whole new church built in the late 1960s?--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 08:45, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Pure

The entry in Nightlife regarding the new Pure club in Newquay appears to be blatent spamvertising. Yes, it is a new club, but it reads as an advert - complete with nice links etc. Whist I have no problem with the new club being mentioned, the entry seems to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia.

Arghans (talk) 12:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Discover Newquay Map

link to newquaymap.co.uk vanished...

Background and Purpose

Phase 1

The original ‘Newquay Discovery Trail Map’ was first published in 2003, and was one of a number of projects funded through the Newquay Tourism Enhancement Initiative, led by Newquay Chamber of Commerce and managed by a small group of public and private sector partners.

A sculptor, Peter Martin, who produced the 14 disks, put the original idea forward. Simon Riordan was commissioned to produce the distinctive map and much of the historical data was compiled by Newquay Old Cornwall Society with the final text compiled by David Faulkner, who developed the light, informative and entertaining text.

The project group initially printed 100,000 maps, which became quickly recognised as a tremendous asset to the town and which were widely distributed to residents and visitors over the following 5 years.

Phase 2

In 2007 a small team set about updating the map to incorporate a sustainability message and encourage car free activities and travel. In 2008 50,000 copies of this new map were printed under the revised banner of ‘Discover Newquay.’ In addition to the original Trail, this new version illustrates the wealth of wildlife available on our doorstep and has a second map that illustrates the coastal area from Holywell Bay to Mawgan Porth, with route plan and public transport links.

Phase 3

The Third phase of this project was lunched in January 2009. NewquayMap.co.uk ‘ the website’ was designed to give the viewer better and more information on Newquay’s heritage, history, wildlife, education, car free options, public transport and much, much more. The web site houses a built in forum and is used as a valuable resource by residents, visitors, schools and other groups.

This phase was developed with the support from Newquay Town Council, and in addition to all of the interactive opportunities this site provides local businesses with the unique opportunity to demonstrate their support for the project and the town through sponsorship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.63.100 (talk) 10:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

The link has disappeared because it adds no value to the encyclopaedia article. See WP:ELNO and you will see it fails on a number of criteria, not least of which are its lack of any substantial content and its use as a promotional vehicle. Wikipedia is not here to promote tourist businesses, which is exactly what the Newquay map is for - to promote tourism and tourist businesses. Perhaps you would be better off focusing your efforts on wikitravel instead. --Simple Bob (talk) 17:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

an example of the "non substantial content": -

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Killacourt

The name Killacourt may be a corruption of the Celtic Killas, meaning grove and Quoit, meaning burial place. The trees were removed in the late 1920s to afford an uninterrupted view to the sea. It is from this ancient site in the heart of Newquay that we begin the Newquay Discovery Trail.

The view from the Killacourt, with its ornamental flower beds and millennium clock hadn't changed in thousands of years. But during the nineteenth century Newquay grew into a thriving community and the activities on Towan beach below were very different from those of today. The sea has always been important to the people of Newquay.

Before the coming of the railways and tourism, the town's wealth came from: farming, mining, boat building, seafaring and fishing. Boats were built at the Island end of Towan beach. Fish Cellars, where freshly caught pilchards were salted and packed into barrels, fringed the town. Although no longer to be seen, some of their names live on. How many can you recognise as you walk through the town: The Spy, the Hope, the Unity, the Fly?

The country's first steam laundry was built on the site of the Treffry cellar. The Cosy Nook theatre, which in turn has given way to the Blue Reef Aquarium, stood on the site of the Speculation cellar, nicknamed 'Fat and Flour'.

Try to imagine the beach below you in the mid 1800s. Old women in shawls carrying baskets of fish, others carrying bundles of washing, old men struggling with sacks of coal for the laundry boilers, young men hauling boats onto the beach, mothers and daughters gutting and salting fish. The noise of sawing and hammering from the boat yard, the relentless pounding and throbbing of the laundry steam engines; the hot, wet smell from the laundry and the distinctive aroma of fish being carried on the breeze. A community working together. We shall see later, how they played, competed and on one occasion fought together. In front of you is Jago’s Island. There has been a dwelling on this island from the turn of the twentieth century. Its many occupants have included Dr. O'Flaherity, a reclusive Irish Canadian eccentric whose haunting Organ music, carried on the night air, could be heard throughout the town. We all owe a debt of gratitude to the next occupant, Alexander Lodge, the inventor of the Lodge Sparking Plug. His Father Sir Oliver Joseph Lodge, who wrote widely on the connection between science and religion, especially spiritualism, was a frequent visitor as was his friend, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, author of the Sherlock Holmes stories.

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I would ask that you take a second (thorough) look at the website, and consider the balance of advertising (the website has to be paid for somehow) and information. There are 15 pages on the history of Newquay, this article contains 3 paragraphs; there are 33 pages of flora & fauna around Newquay, this article makes no mention of wildlife; there's information on 18 beaches, sustainability, "car free days" and walks; and the information contains extracts from an un-published book written in the 1960's by local author Ken Langmaid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.63.100 (talk) 09:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

You won't convince me. It's a travel guide, it's lightweight an it's spam. The very fact that you are pushing it so hard indicates to me a possible conflict of interest. If there is then you should back off and not try to publicise your own site. WIkipedia has policies about that. --Simple Bob (talk) 09:31, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

"It's a travel guide" - please elaborate "it's lightweight" - please elaborate

an advert for a church is spam - the (3 word) entry in the doomsday book could be included in the article - 15 pages of History written by Newquay Old Cornwall Society, and 33 pages of wildlife is a substantial resource (imho) —Preceding unsigned comment added by GoofysNewquay (talk • contribs) 10:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

trail, trivia

Trail information was removed under Not a travel for the third time now and under self published (Newquay Old Cornwall Society). Newquay in films was removed as trivia plus it has unreliable & self-published sources (IMBD & Newquay Old Cornwall Society). Electricburst, you have given no reason for its return. It is up to you as the returning editor to properly support said material instead of returning with no reason and claim that it was obvious and persistent vandalism with a false report at WP:AIV that was turned down and with out any notices ("The user must have been given enough warnings to stop their disruptive behavior."). Spshu (talk) 20:31, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

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