Talk:NWA Worlds Heavyweight Championship

POV Issues

"In early 2001, McMahon bought a bankrupt WCW from AOL Time Warner and ECW (in 2003). After failing to revive WCW, he created his own competition, by splitting the WWE in half. He made RAW and SmackDown! their own brands/federations; with their own World Titles. However, wrestling purists wanted true competition; not the WWE watering down its "monopoly". Enter former NWA North American Champion Jeff Jarrett."

It's not, in my opinion, accurate to describe McMahon as "failing" to revive WCW, when to my knowledge, he never made any attempt to keep WCW on the air as a stand-alone company at all. Furthermore, many people believe he intentionally buried newly-arriving WCW talent during the 2001 "Invasion" angle on WWE television.

It's also somewhat unfair to describe wrestling purists collectively as a group as people who were looking for more competition with WWE, especially when its arguable that they already had some in the increasingly well known Ring of Honor promotion, which as far as "pure wrestling" goes, is generally thought by many to be far superior to most wrestling in TNA, which is where this article is leading. It is of course true however that WWE has had no significant televised competition since early 2001, however.

My main issue with this is that it treats TNA like it was some sort of godsend against WWE. All I need to know is the history of the title, I don't need mild theatrics in my articles. I'll be editing shortly.--Pathogen 01:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Title History

Just wondering - would it be useful to edit the page so that it contains a full title history, from Orville Brown's victory in July 1947 until present? It just seems that this page is a little incomplete without this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by *Sam* (talk • contribs) 19:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

(03/07/06) - Just realised that I made a mistake as the list of champions is seperate - apologies! *Sam* 17:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)*Sam*

7/4/06 - Only the NWA World title was recognized by all teritories, not the World tag team title. Up until the early 80's a few territories had their own versions of the World Tag team title (Mid-Atlantic, Detroit, LA etc.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Artvandale74 (talk • contribs) 02:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Image Problem

Hey i`m new on these things, and i was editing some articles but i don`t know how to add an image to an article, i know how to upload it but no how to add one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charismatic (talk • contribs) 20:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Belt Statistics

Are we going to add belt statistics? Govvy 23:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Should someone have the time, sure. Perhaps you could start the ball rolling for us. --Aaru Bui ^DII 08:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

NWA-TNA issue

What would we should say about the fact that the NWA are going to part ways with TNA and withdraw their World and Tag Team titles? I mean, some Internet PW are assuring that this stuff was confirmed, e.g. [1] and even on this site [2] they were promoting the beginning of a tournament for the NWA World title. Invitation to all the WP:PW members to saying something about this subject. Xbox6 02:33, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Not trying to sound too rough here, but there is no "fact" that they are going to part ways. It's been well publicized that TNA negotiated for the rights to the titles until 2014. I generally don't find a myspace page and a wrestling tabloid site to be websites I would confirm stuff from. TNA has the right to do what they want with the titles until 2014 (including handing them back to the NWA)...so it would be foolish for the NWA to plan anything for those titles until they had a finished signed agreement. Even if they were to do something, Wikipedia isn't a rumor or mark site, it is a site to document facts...we'd have to wait until after something happened to put it up.Theophilus75 20:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Not to be a whatever, but it's been a fact for months. Tons of wrestlers have made a challenge for the belt, as seen on NWA's official website. (http://www.nwawrestling.com/PHP-Nuke/modules.php?name=News&file=categories&op=newindex&catid=6) If it was staying in TNA until 2014 as was originally the case, this wouldn't be happening. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Calaschysm (talk • contribs) 23:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

We really don't need to say anything about it right now since there has yet to be an official announcement regarding the situation (though the rumor sites are now saying TNA has actually received the belts and is planning to make the switch soon, possibly even tonight). When it does happen, we'll just make mention of it here and convert TNA World Heavyweight Championship from a redirect to a full article. Jeff Silvers 17:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

On nwawrestling.com the NWA has OFFICIALLY announced the champions have been stripped and the relationship has been officially ended. TNA does NOT have posession of the titles anymore. This has been confirmed by the NWA Executive Director

Here's a "breaking news" video from the NWA regarding the situation, if anybody's interested. Jeff Silvers 01:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Kurt Angle won the title at Sacrifice but this match was not sanctioned by the NWA, thus Kurt Angle is not NWA Champion or a former NWA Champion in this title's lineage. The NWA World Heavyweight and World Tag Team Championships are officially vacent due to NWA board officially announcing the end of their relationship with TNA and officially stripping Christian Cage and Team 3D of their respective NWA World Titles

I didn't watch Sacrifice, so I'm curious: Did they generically refer to the titles as the "World Heavyweight Championship" and "World Tag Team Championship," or did they actually use the NWA name? I know they used the physical belts, but I was wondering if they used the NWA initials. Jeff Silvers 03:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Well earlier on the night Don West misreferred to the NWA world title as the TNA world title. But yes they were using the generic term, World Heavyweight Championship for the NWA title and at times were calling the tag team titles the NWA World tag team titles for the sake of talking about Team 3D. I think that Angle's reign should be noted as unofficial with crosses next to Christian's second reign saying that the NWA does not recognize the title victory or Angle's reign. Afterall, even though TNA had control of the title til midnight, the NWA can modify the lineage so they see fit, so if they don't recognize Angle's win of the title or him getting a reign, than it should only be noted as unofficial. The list of champions page is a mess. TonyFreakinAlmeida 17:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

...TNA had control of the titles until midnight? I was under the impression that the NWA's decision was "effective immediately." Jeff Silvers 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Future of NWA World Title?

Does anybody have any information where and when the vacant championship will be given?

The National Wrestling Alliance will be holding a tournament throughout the summer spanning multiple promotions and events to crown a new champion. Not sure what they're planning to do with the NWA World Tag Team Championship, though. Jeff Silvers 02:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

edits

I made a couple edits to this page and just wanted to let people know so it doesn't get changed back. I fixed the tag for the NWA title photo and reverted the active dates back from 2002-2007 as it was listed at. I also removed the line about Lou Thesz being "remarkably the greatest world champion of all time", since that is opinion and not fact.Garistotle 13:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

NWA "World" Title

Surely it's only the NWA "World" Title from Orville Brown in 1948 to Flair in 1991, and then from Shamrock in 2002 to Cage in 2007? Other holders may have been the "NWA Heavyweight Champion", but not the "WORLD" Champion. Whoever wins the current tournament (June 2007) won't be a WORLD Champion. Eg Dan Severn is a two-time NWA Champion, but has never held a world title, Gary Steele has never held a world title, Mike Rapada has never held a world title etc. Not all of Ric Flair's NWA Heavyweight Title reigns are World Titles. The one he won in 1993 was simply the NWA Heavyweight Title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.245.177.124 (talk • contribs)

So? They can call it whatever they want. Indie wrestling feds like Ring of Honor call their title "world" even though they don't have world title status. TJ Spyke 00:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I heard that the Ring Of Honor title does have "World" status because Samoe Joe defended it in Japan. I'm not 100% sure if that's true or not.Kirby17 04:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The ROH World Champonship gained its "World" status when Samoa Joe defended it against The Zebra Kid at the FWA vs ROH "Frontiers of Honor" event on May 17th, 2003, at York Hall in Bethnal Green, London, England. Back on topic, belts don't just lose World status. It's always been the NWA World Heavyweight Championship, and in fact the belt had more international holders between 1991 and 2002 than it did during the TNA years, so I don't really see how being in TNA makes it more of a World title. More publicised, maybe, but not more international.CW88 11:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Wrong. Here at WP, we go by PWI. A title CAN lose world title status (like the WWF Title did when the WWF re-joined the NWA). The ROH Title does not have world title status. The only 3 titles with world title status right now are the two main WWE Titles (RAW and SmackDown), the TNA Title, and the NWA Title (although it's likely to lose that status soon since it will go back to being defended in indie feds). TJ Spyke 05:21, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Uh, no. It's the NWA WORLD Title from 1948 to now. Meaning R&B Security Guy Mike Rapada was NWA World Champion. Gary Steele was NWA World Champion. And Ric Flair was NWA World Champion in 1993. Even in the dark ages of the 1990's the NWA World Title was being defended (and changing hands) in Japan and other foreign countries. please don't bring PWI into this. They're a joke of a magazine and their opinion doesn't matter. For the record, they never stripped the NWA of "world title status". They were under the belief that the NWA became WCW. When the NWA World Title was filled in 1992 (after Flair had been stripped of it almost a year earlier), their reasoning suddenly became "we shifted world title status to the champion competing under the World Championship Wrestling banner". For years afterwards they wouldn't give the NWA their world title status back, claiming that one of their members had to have a national cable deal first. That's a joke when you consider Lou Thesz was defending the title all around the world and tv hadn't even been invented yet. Now as far as being stripped of world title status, PWI once claimed that thet "have so much respect for the history of the sport that they won't strip world title status away unless they feel the future of the promotion is hopeless, such as the case with the AWA." We'll see what happens.MrNWA4Life —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrNWA4Life (talk • contribs) 09:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Who keeps fucking with the page? Who keeps changing the lie that "none of the promoters after 1993 were part of the Alliance in their heyday." Antonio Inoki, Steve Rickard, Tony Rickard, & Lary O'Day were all part of the Alliance before AND after 1993. And the lie that the title Shane Douglas won has no lineage to the title Flair held. BULLSHIT! The NWA owned the title since 1948, they still own it today. And to the idiots that are still confused: Dan Severn, Steve Corino, and even Mike Rapada were NWA WORLD Champs. Even in the dark years of the late 90's, the belt was STILL being defended all over the world. Dan Severn even lost it to Naoya Ogawa in Japan. As for TNA, they could claim that Kurt Angle was NWA World Champ all they want, they don't own the title. The NWA owns it, they stripped Christian of it. TNA created it's own "world title" and put it up for grabs in the match Angle won so he's ypour first TNA Champ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.8.175.181 (talk) 03:16, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

I agree, PWI is just a magazine with an opinion, their status is nothing official. NWA has always had their world championships defended overseas. TonyFreakinAlmeida 04:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

PWI is what we go by here at Wikipedia. The NWA lost world title status in the early 90s, and they have again now (or will soon, I haven't checked PWI in a few months). I'm glad you still love the NWA, but that doesn't mean that they weren't just a regional belt after WCW withdrew and the NWA Title was relegated to a handful of indy feds and no TV coverage at all. TJ Spyke 03:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Who's we? Some mark who thinks he's a history expert? PWI is a joke. BTW, stop fucking with the page. The NWA World Title that exists today is the same title, same lineage, etc since 1948. Not you, or PWI, or anyone else can change that. Oh, and I can name at least 6 NWA members that were members since at least the 1970'snthat were still members well past 1991. So stop fucking with the page and stop the bullshit lies! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.8.56.239 (talk) 06:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

"We" as in Wikipedia in general and WP:PW (the Wikiproject in charge of wrestling articles) specifically. No one is saying it's not the same title, we are just saying that it lost world title status from 1993-2002 and is likely to lose it again now that it's back to being defended in small indy feds. Also, PWI is not a joke just because you don't like them. TJ Spyke 03:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

If no one is saying it's not the same title, who keeps fucking with the page claiming that "the title that exists today has no lineage to the title from the 80's". Lineage smineage. It's the same title. And who is the idiot that keeps fucking with the page claiming that none of the pre 1991 members were members after 1991? Bullshit. Don Owen in Portland, Antonio Inoki in New Japan, Steve Rickard in New Zealand, Larry O'Day in Australia, and even Jim Crockett Jr. himself were all still members after 1991. And yeah, I'm pretty sure each and every one of them knew Sam Muchnick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.8.122.171 (talk) 04:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Clever use of profanity to win an argument, but there is no connection between the title now and then other than the name NWA in front of it. Pro Wrestling Title Histories, Volume 4 lists the N.W.Alliance title beginning in 1948 and ending in 1993. It has a separate entry for the NWA World Heavyweight Title beginning with Shane Douglas and his rejecting of the title, which then goes to Chris Candido and so on down the line. I'll take Pro Wrestling Title Histories as a source over the profanity filled tirade of an anonymous user any day. The PWI Almanac's list of NWA World Heavyweight Champions uses revisionist history to stretch the lineage back to Hackenschmidt, so the Wrestling Title Histories book is a better source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.212.22.30 (talk) 01:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

And the NWA official website is the best source of the lot, and contradicts your claims effectively. Please refer to the link in Bullet's edit summary. The only reason PWI divided it up was because the title lost it's "world" status in 1993. That does NOT mean the lineage was broken - not at all. It called it world title because it regained the status when NWA-TNA (as it was then) began it's weekly pay per views. The balance of multiple reliable sources confirms Bullet's edit as correct. Please do not start an edit war over this. Refer to WP:EDITWAR !! Justa Punk !! 08:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia's verifiability page, "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." The first issue with the official NWA website is the wikipedia guidline o self-published sources, stating that self-published books, personal websites, and blogs are largely not acceptable as sources. That the NWA's official website is the best source for the information is in contrast to this guideline. Company websites, especially when it comes to a subject as prone to exageration as professional wrestling, can be self serving and inaccurate. To maintain a NPOV, I feel it should not be granted authoritative status.

The second issue is that the NWA website source also lists the information as being credited to The Great Hisa's Wrestling-Titles website. THe Great Hisa's site contains on it's introduction section the following statement, "Remember, most of the title histories prior to 2000 on this web site are NOT AS ACCURATE as the ones in Wrestling Title Histories!" Since the NWA World title history as shown on the NWA website is almost verbatim to The Great Hisa's website, in fact it was verbatim to that website until recently (early 2007) when there was additional information added to the title prior to 1948, and Wrestling-Titles contains a the above disclaimer, The Wrestling Title Histories book would be a better source.

To further examine the history of NWA's official webpage on the subject also reveals it has less than forthcoming about the history in the past. From 1999 - 2004, it listed two sections to it's history, NWA pre-1948 and post-1948. Of course the pre-1948 history was prior to the founding of the NWA, but this little detail didn't stop the owners of the website from stretching their history back to William Muldoon and even mentioned Abe Lincoln! The theme was that all that existed prior to 1948 was taken over and owned by the Alliance, as untrue as any claims about the NWA becoming WCW. This history page has since been removed, but it illustrates why we should be hesitant at taking them at their word. I feel that it is essential to note that the NWA we see today is a completely different entity comprised of different promotions than the one that existed back in the 1950's-1980's and by not acknowledging that fact, we don't tell the whole story, which is a disservice to the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.212.22.30 (talk) 22:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes third party sources are preferred, but there is nothing on Wikipedia saying that primary sources can't be used. Primary sources are also more authoritative in cases like this. You list no sources for that part about Lincoln (although that may be a joke on your part). The reason why your edit was reverted and will stay reverted is simple, you added comments that are UNSOURCED. You can NOT replaced a reliable sourced version with a questionable unsourced version, simple as that. TJ Spyke 22:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I've put a note on this anon's talk page, TJ. A secondary source that defies a primary source requires back up, and until the anon provides that back up the article stays as I edited it (ans you did as well). I'll take this to WP:ANI under both WP:3RR if it's appropriate (depending on when the next edit is) and WP:EDITWAR if this keeps up. Could you ask an admin to semi protect the page? I don't have the time right now. That way at least it will force this anon to get an account. !! Justa Punk !! 00:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

From my experience at WP:RFP, a request would be denied since it's just 1 IP doing it. TJ Spyke 00:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

"there is no connection between the title now and then other than the name NWA in front of it. Pro Wrestling Title Histories, Volume 4 lists the N.W.Alliance title beginning in 1948 and ending in 1993" So because a book says so that automatically makes it so? Dale Gagner claims his AWA titles are one and the same as Verne Gagne's titles. Is that so? Problem there is Verne went into bankruptcy and closed his promotion. The NWA never ceased to exist, so if the organization NEVER ceased to exist and they continued to own their title in all these years, how do you claim it's not the same title. Your way of thinking is like saying that because Crockett, Geigel, Race, Flair, etc. aren't with the NWA, it's not the NWA. Got news for you, Peter Pocklington no longer owns the Edmonton Oilers, Glen Sather is no longer the GM, Gretzky & Messier no longer play there (or at all anymore), but guess what? They're still the Edmonton Oilers. Hopefully this will help make it sink in: "The NWA World Title has continued to exist since 1948, nothing has occured to change that"...Robert Trobich (current NWA Executive Director) in 1993 after beating WCW in federal court. Oh he just happens to have been the NWA's attorney since 1989. Yet another guy involved with the NWA in the 80's that IS STILL THERE TODAY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.31.218.47 (talk) 12:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

One thing about the AWA situation: Verne Gagne sold all rights to the AWA to Vince McMahon (meaning the current promotion calling itself AWA is illegally doing so and has no connection whatsoever to the old AWA). TJ Spyke 17:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice of you to revive a 9 month old argument, but you've added nothing substantive to it since you have continued to regurgitate the same misinformation that has been circulating for years. Per Tim Hornbaker's book, National Wrestling Alliance, The Untold Story of the Monopoly that Strangled Pro Wrestling, the court case involving the NWA and WCW in 1993 was settled out of court. The NWA did not win this case. The agreement was that WCW could continue use the Big Gold belt as it had shown evidence of ownership, but could not make the claim the belt was still sanctioned by the NWA.

The Pro Wrestling Title Histories book is one of the most authoritave sources on the shadowy world of title histories (which are often subject to lies and omissions since titles are basically props used by promoters and organizations to sell tickets and make money). The Title Histories book is not writing the history of the sport or the organizations in it either per the preface. It is even mentioned in that preface about the "old NWA lineage" that has a single title stretching back to Frank Gotch. A lineage that is still used by PWI as of 2008 in their yearly almanac! The Title Histories source is unbiased and not subject to much of the self serving hype used by promoters, which is the danger in relying solely on an official website. Examples from multiple promotions include the WWE not acknowledging any title changes that occurred involving The Women's World title and the Fabulous Moolah's 28 year reign prior to her loss to Wendi Richter or Dale Gagner's alleged AWA recently ignoring a loss by "champion" Larry Zbyszko to Brian Logan. If we go just by the website, even if they own the title, then are we required to ignore any misinformation, deliberate or otherwise, given by the promotion? Am I saying that the Title Histories book is a perfect resource, no, but it is better than most if not all available information.

Now to refute the remaining assertions. Until Gagner's AWA is disproven (or proven) to be the rightful owner to the legacy of the AWA, it should not be taken by fact. I never claimed anything about his claims being legitimate here or anywhere else for that matter. He supposedly bought the name out of bankrupcy court in 1996, although I'm unaware of any evidence he acquired the trademarks and actual lineage of the titles and the original organization. It is not the same situation as the NWA. The assertion is that this is the same as recognizing the NWA in it's current form as bearing no resemblence to the membership in its heyday is silly, different set of circumstances. The original AWA was a single promotion (that had some affiliates during its existance) and the NWA was always a group of wrestling promoters who were affiliated.

Again, the promotional membership of the NWA has endured a 100% turnover since the glory days of the late 40's-late 70's. Bob Trobich might be the executive director and as an attorney affiliated with the organization since that time, but he is not and to my knowledge has never been a wrestling promoter. Even the organization was itself was restructured in 1998. My "way of thinking" is not that the NWA is not the NWA if one or two people or organizations are not still affiliated, but all of them are not. Yes, one left and came back later in Antonio Inoki/New Japan, but the fact remains that other than that case, none of the promotions or promoters involved with the group prior to 1993 are still affiliated with the NWA. Check The Great Hisa's site that lists NWA members by year and you will see the turnover. While they may own the name, to act as if this is somehow the same exact organization is not in step with reality. The NWA might not have ceased to exist, but it existed as an entity on paper only for a time and stopped functioning as an organization. It later reconstitiuted, picked up new members, and expanded to where it is today. The Edmonton Oilers are still the Oilers, but they are not as nearly as good as the team from the 80's, not even close. The current performers in the band Journey have legal right to call themselves Journey when they perform. In the eyes of many fans though, they are not the same as Journey with Steve Perry as singer. Same name, but a different cast of characters. The NWA can claim the lineage of the title is unbroken back to 1948, 1940, 1905, or 1492 if they want, but does that make it so? If you wish to contend that the current incarnation of the NWA is precisely the same as it was in 1975, feel free, but you will never convince me and others that this is the case. To try and do it in the wikipedia article is doing a disservice to the users by not disclosing the truth.

209.212.22.30 (talk) 20:30, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Wrestling Fan

Must we go down the path of proverbially dotting "I"'s and crossing "T"'s over the identity of the whole NWA when the subject of the debate is the NWA's main title? The lineage has a history - unbroken. Of that there can be no doubt.

And just on the AWA - sorry to that other anon, but the AWA per Verne Gagne's time (TBC by the courts) is owned by WWE. Dale Gagner is heading for big trouble for doing what he is trying to do. He can use the initials if he wants, but he can't use the full name as Vince has it trademarked as I understand it. !! Justa Punk !! 22:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Bryan Danielson injured

From ROH Message Boards, Gabe Sapolsky himself.

"Bryan saw an eye specialist today and it was found that he had a detached retina. He had laser surgery today where they re-attached the retina and tightened the muscles surrounding the eye. The reason his eye couldn't come down after the match was because the muscle was loosened. It's an outpatient surgery, so he was released today after having surgery this morning. The surgery went well, and there's a 90% he will regain vision, although it may be blurred.

It is recommended he take 4-6 weeks off. He will have a check up next week and the week after to check on his progress. I promise you all that we will not rush Bryan back. Bryan is maybe the toughest individual I've ever known and that covers a lot of ground. No one saw the locker room scene after almost all of his matches after the shoulder injury and how much pain he was in and how he was able to gut it out at his own insistence. This isn't a guy that takes pain killers or anything even close. He is also a guy that knows his limits. He is just incredibly tough."

Just thought I'd post this, as he definitely isn't going to make the Finals of the NWA Title Tourney this Saturday. TonyFreakinAlmeida 05:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

picture

Are there really NO pictures of this belt? Herotastic (talk) 21:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

There was one, but it was deleted;

(CSD I4: Image lacking sources or licensing information for more than seven days)

That was two months ago. !! Justa Punk !! 08:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Blue Demon, Jr is now the NWA champion

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=34223&p=1

There is proof —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.137.237 (talk) 09:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

That source fails WP:RS in my book, but the official NWA website confirms this to be true. !! Justa Punk !! 01:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

"Reclaiming the Glory"

can we PLEASE get rid of that picture of Sean Waltman? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.227.240 (talk) 02:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Lou Thesz held the title for 2300 days?

Lou Thesz did have the longest reign acordeding to the list of champions on here, but it wasn't 2300 days, in fact all of Lou's reigns combined isn't even 2300 days long.the longest reign is 1941 by Lou Thesz's first reign and the second reign ever.== —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.60.80 (talk) 23:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"10 lbs of Gold"

has that always been the design of the title, or were their older models?--99.101.160.159 (talk) 20:25, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Diagram in early history section

I don't think it's appropriate for the article, certainly not for the early history section. It's entirely WWE centric, only focusing on the WWWF split and WCW split and those various unifications, with absolutely nothing for the AWA, ECW, or TNA splits (or any others I may be forgetting/unaware of). Furthermore, a lot of what happens in that diagram (most of it actually) isn't from the title's early history at all. I have no problem with the diagram as presented on a WWE title page (and I've seen it there as well) I just don't believe it belongs here on the NWA title page, at least not without some major adjustments.76.226.192.201 (talk) 09:15, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Name

I believe it’s called the NWA World’s Heavyweight Championship. The name should be changed. Ron234 (talk) 07:08, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

The title has been referred to variously as either "world" or "worlds" (no apostrophe) for decades. Nothing has changed. There will be more sources for "world" but also plenty for "worlds". It's always been unique like that. BBX118 00:14, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I guess, this NWA title is in genitive form: Worlds is, in my opinion, the genitive of the word "world". Gelegenheitsaccount (talk) 04:42, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

There's always been an apostrophe. It's possessive, means champion of the world. "Worlds" is nonsensical and helps make Wikipedia look foolish. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:06, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

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1993 NWA-WCW Lawsuit

There is an IP user, who refuses to get a registered username for some reason, that is continuously adding inaccurate information. They keep saying that the 1993 lawsuit between the NWA and WCW gave WCW the rights to the “historical lineage” of the NWA World Title, meaning WCW can claim that the WCW World Title that was created in 1991 is the same as the NWA World Title that was created in 1948. Nowhere in the lawsuit does it say that WCW gets those rights. It only said WCW gets the rights to continue using the big gold belt and could continue referring to it as a world title. Just because WCW’s commentators claimed the WCW title had the same lineage as the NWA title, doesn’t mean it’s true. They also claimed the WCW title dates back to 1905. That is also factually inaccurate. OldSkool01 (talk) 20:28, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Pro Wrestling Illustrated Recognition

As for PWI, their world title recognition means nothing. Yes they were a very popular magazine at one point, but they do not have, nor did they ever, have any authority or control at all over which championships are actually considered world championships. It was just the opinion of the magazine editors. Including any information about what PWI did or did not consider a world title will only confuse the already complicated history of the NWA World title even further. It is unnecessary. OldSkool01 (talk) 20:28, 5 March 2022 (UTC)