Talk:Mykola Leontovych/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: AJona1992 (talk) 20:22, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

General notes

Lead

• 01. The lead does not follow WP:Lead as it states "The lead serves both as an introduction to the article and as a summary of its most important aspects."

Theological seminary

• 01. "and started to writing choral arrangements as a student at the seminary" - consider revising to something like this and began writing choral arrangements as a student at the seminary.

Tulchyn period

• 01. "Leontovych's move to Tulchyn marked the beginning of" - consider revising to something like this Leontovych's move to Tulchyn which marked the beginning of...
• 02. "This period in his career was among the most productive and he created numerous choral arrangements" - consider revising to something like this This period in his career was among the most productive, while he created numerous choral arrangements.

Career in Kiev

• 01. "In the beginning of 1919, the rest his family" - missing word In the beginning of 1919, the rest of his family

Move back to Tulchyn and death

• 01. Wouldn't this need English translation? Na Rusalchyn Velykden'
• 02. "whom the composer was visiting for the Christmas" - removed "the" in this sentence.
• 03. "blood loss" - needs to be wikilink

Commemoration

• 01. "Streets in Kiev, and other cities in Ukraine have been after him" - have been named after him "named" is missing.

Music

• 01. "However, Leontovych was murdered before he could it was completed" - you mean However, Leontovych was murdered before the completion of the acts. or equivalent.

Final notes

There's just a few concerns with the article that I believe you can fix within seven days. Placing the article  On hold for further development. Take care, AJona1992 (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Ok. I hope I fixed it now.--BoguSlav 00:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Please fix this dead link, it cannot be passed until its either removed or replaced with a new URL. Also make sure words are in past tense tone since the subject died. For example "he moved here in 1921" would sound better then "he then move to a place in 1921".

Done.--BoguSlav 21:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Lead

• 01. "teacher" - please delink usual/common words.
• 02. Please also note that as a summary the lead does not need to have references except for direct quotations and as cites for extraordinary claims (as everything in the lead should be in the body of the article and cited there). It is OK to have refs in the lead, just not required in most cases.

I know that they are not required but I was hoping it wouldn't be a problem. It's just that in one case, I'm quoting word for word from Britannica, and another, if I were to include the part about Ukrainian Bach in the article as well, I would have to copy the same exact sentence into the article and I thought it would be more appropriate in the introduction. --BoguSlav 19:27, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

At this time I'm going to ask for a second opinion, I don't want to pass an article that may be challenged in the future because of my limited abilities in English. So, to avoid this another reviewer will review the article and give either more tips on fixing the article or just simply tell me that its ready to pass. This may take up only a couple days, not too long. Sorry for the inconvenience, AJona1992 (talk) 02:39, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Second opinion by User:Quadell

I am a native English speaker. I will read the article and give a second opinion. – Quadell ^(talk) 13:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Changes I have made:

• It needs a good deal of proofreading to make the prose acceptably fluid and encyclopedic. I did a thorough bold proofreading, including a lot of rewording for clarity.
• I don't think it's acceptable to quote a competing encyclopedia word for word, so I removed that bit.

Questions/issues for the nominator:

• The lead image needs a good caption.

hmmm... Do you have any suggestions, as I do not know any additional information about the picture besides it being of Leontovych?--BoguSlav 19:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps "Leontovych as a young man"

• I don't speak Ukrainian, and I can't read the sources. Do both sources 4 and 5 discuss both his father's and mother's musical backgrounds?

Yes.--BoguSlav 19:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• What's the source for the last sentence in the "Early life and education" section?

Done.--BoguSlav 01:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• The claim "a career in music in Ukraine meant having an unstable income" needs to be sourced or removed.
• The statements "He completed his "First compilation of songs from Podillya" and began working on his second compilation. He inspired the children to sing in the choir and play in the orchestra." need a cite or cites.

Done.--BoguSlav 08:30, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• The "Monthly Newsletter of the Tylchyn Centralized Library System" is used two dozen times as a source. Does it really contain all the information it is used to reference? (I can't tell, since it's in Ukrainian.)

Yes. That edition of the paper is an in-depth biography of the composer.(4 of 6 pages dedicated to him).--BoguSlav 19:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• One caption says "The family of Mykola Leontovych". Is that Claudia or Yevheniya? It should say.

The adult woman on the right is definitely Leontovych's wife Claudia, but I'm not sure when the picture was taken or which child is in the picture. I would assume that it's the older one, Halyna, since there is only one kid in the picture.--BoguSlav 08:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Both File:Mykola Leontovych.jpg and File:Mykola leontovych.jpg appear to be undated photos of the composer. Do you have any information about when or where these were taken? This would be useful information to have in the captions.

Unfortunately I don't. For the first one, I think he is wearing a priest's attire.--BoguSlav 08:59, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Is there supposed to be an apostrophe at the end of "Na Rusalchyn Velykden'", or is that a typo?

Yes. The word ends with a soft sign in the Cyrillic alphabet, which is transliterated to the Latin alphabet with an apostrophe.--BoguSlav 19:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• "the Denikin Army who persecuted the Ukrainian intelligentsia" needs a cite, or should be removed.

Done.--BoguSlav 19:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• The lede should not contain material that isn't covered in the article itself, and does not need references. The lead says he is referred to as the Ukrainian Bach, but the article should say so as well. (It can be sourced in that section, not the lede.) Also, if the lede explains why he was assassinated, the article should too (and that needs a source). The info that "Leontovych's music is mostly performed in Ukraine and, as an extension, in the Ukrainian diaspora." is not in the article, but needs to be, and should be sourced there. Then all references can be removed from the lede.

OK. I have created a new section titled "Reception and popularity" and expanded on the section about his death. I hope it covers this material. Please take a look at it.--BoguSlav 01:30, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

These would have to be dealt with before I'd feel comfortable giving it GA status. – Quadell ^(talk) 14:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Your improvements are remarkable. I have copyedited your new additions. The only remaining problems I see are:

• The claim "a career in music in Ukraine meant having an unstable income" is unsourced and might be challenged, so it needs to be sourced or removed.

The statement is inferred from link #4. It's just that besides in a few cities, such as Kiev and Lviv and perhaps Kharkiv, there were no established exclusively musical institutions and not a large middle or upper class to support musical careers. (I could easily find links to these claims.) I just feel like that going in so much depth and describing all of that would be straying to much off topic, so I wanted to keep it simple. --BoguSlav 07:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Nvm. Found a reference that pretty much covers it.--BoguSlav 11:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

• The is a lone reference in the lede, which doesn't need to be there.

Once those are done, I think we have a good article! – Quadell ^(talk) 12:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful! All problems resolved. You've done a knock-out job, and I'm proud to pass this GA nomination! – Quadell ^(talk) 12:18, 20 July 2011 (UTC)