Talk:Mount Brandon/Archive 1

Archive 1

November 2006. Mount Brandon or Brandon Mountain?

Which is it? I've only ever heard Brandon Mountain, but to my surprise a Google test suggests that Mount Brandon is more common. ("Brandon Mountain" -wikipedia = 815 hits; "Mount Brandon" -wikipedia = 19,800 hits.) Do locals call it one thing and outsiders another? Perhaps outsiders tend to call it Brandon Mountain, but Mount Brandon comes easier to native Irish speakers as it mirrors Sliabh Bhreandáin? Just an uninformed guess. --Blisco 18:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

"Mount Brandon" is what I have heard and what it is called on the Ordnance Survey website; however their printed map calls it "Brandon Mountain". This is also the name used in the Paddy Dillon's hiking guide. Both the printed map and book give the Irish name as "Cnoc Bréanainn" and not "Sliabh Bhreandáin". See:

• Kerry (Map) (2nd ed.). 1 : 60,000. Discovery Series. Ordnance Survey Ireland. 2000. ISBN 1-901496-59-7.
• Dillon, Paddy (1996). The Moundains of Ireland. Cicerone Press. ISBN 1-85284-110-9. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |origdate= ignored (|orig-date= suggested) (help)

-- PatLeahy (talk) 18:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Correct Height

The height is given at the Ordnance Survey website as 951 metres however their printed map gives the height as 952 metres. Given that the printed map is a more permanent record I am changing article to use that value.

See: No. 70 - Kerry (Map) (2nd ed.). 1 : 60,000. Discovery Series. Ordnance Survey Ireland. 2000. ISBN 1-901496-59-7.

-- PatLeahy (talk) 19:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

height

i think you will find that 952 metres equates to 3127 feet-someone at wikipedia needs to be taught maths — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazon543 (talk • contribs) 19:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Updated and expanded to the Brandon Group

Updated and expanded this article to cover the whole Brandon Group of mountains. Britishfinance (talk) 20:17, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Yakikaki (talk · contribs) 13:46, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

This is my third GA review, so I'm still learning my way around here. I'm therefore also open to discussions around how to interpret the criteria. Let me know if you think I've missed something or misinterpreted the review process. This is what I have found, after carefully reading this interesting article, and comparing with the GA criteria and guidelines (please feel free to answer below):

• The lead: The sentence “…is the 8th–highest peak in Ireland on the Arderin list, and the 9th–highest according to the Vandeleur-Lynam list.” Is a bit unwieldly, perhaps it could be enough in the lead to write “…is among the 10 highest peaks in Ireland” or something like that, and leave the details about the lists for later? The lead should also be expanded a bit to present in summary at least also parts of the information found under “Hill walking” and “Aircraft accidents”.  Done Expanded lede and noted as a top 10 mountain (I have kept the 8th and 9th parts as they appear in many other Irish mountain articles, so probably worth keeping the format).
• Geography: I was a bit confused by the fact that there is both the Mount Brandon (which this article is about) and a nearby Brandon Peak; perhaps you can somehow raise the reader’s attention to the fact that they are two different things?  Done clarified the wording here, hope this works.
• Name: The wikilink to “Fortunate isles” takes the reader to an article which deals with a subject that doesn’t seem to be exactly related with Saint Brendan’s Island; Brendan’s mythological island is a medieval myth, the fortunate isles seem to be a Classical myth?  Done Took out link.
• The list of peaks needs an inline citation in accordance with criterion 2b of the GA criteria. At the moment there is only a link within a parenthesis to another Wikipedia article. Done
• Pilgrimage: The sentence “The mountain's importance due to the fact that being so far west and so high, it is the last place the sun can be seen before it sets.” seems a bit incomplete: importance in what sense? As a pilgrimage site? In general or particularly connected with the idea of it as a pre-Christian pilgrimage site?  Done Agreed
• Inline ref nr. 12 is a dead link, a new reference should be found for this claim.  Done not needed as ref 13 (now ref 12) does it.
• The source “pilgrimagemedievalireland.com” is actually a blog, and as such would normally not be counted as a reliable source. However, it contains information compiled during PhD-research and I can’t see any reason why the information there would be false or misleading, so I’m willing to count it as reliable.  Done Agreed
• In accordance with MOS:ORDER, the Bibliography section should switch place with the See also section. Done - actually put it after the refs section?

Yakikaki (talk) 15:03, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Yakikaki for the above, most of which seems in order, and I can fix. I just happen to be very busy in RL at the moment but will come back to this in a couple of days if that is okay. thanks again for your patience. Britishfinance (talk) 21:57, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

No problem Britishfinance, let me know when and I'll check back here. Stay well, Yakikaki (talk) 15:45, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Responses

Getting time now to make the changes above, will ping Yakikaki when I am done. Britishfinance (talk) 13:18, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Yakikaki. I think I have been able to respond to all your comments (marked above), and particular, have expanded the lede, clarified the confusion around different peaks called "Brandon", and added the in-line citations to the list for every single peak. Thank you for your patience, and looknig forward to your comments. thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 14:34, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Excellent, great work. I have nothing else to comment on, so I'm going to pass the article now. Well done! Yakikaki (talk) 14:46, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :) Britishfinance (talk) 14:55, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

March 2020

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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Mount Brandon photographed from Brandon Peak

• ... that according to legend, the 6th-century Irish monk Brendan spent days fasting on Mount Brandon (pictured), before setting out on his legendary voyages across the Atlantic to discover Saint Brendan's Island? Irish Mountain Names Database (page 28–29)

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cale Morris
• Comment: Source quoted is Paul Tempan, an Irish academic who wrote the Database of Irish Mountain Names. However, the "Naming" section of this article has further book references on this fact (these books are searchable online), as the story of Brendan goes beyond mountain names.

Improved to Good Article status by Britishfinance (talk). Self-nominated at 15:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nice article! I struck out the word "legendary" in ALT0, because it could be interpreted as POV and duplicates "according to legend...". buidhe 01:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but the last entry under Aircraft accidents lacks a cite per Rule D2. Also, Google Books links are preferred over Amazon.com links so we can look up the text. Yoninah (talk) 20:25, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done Have fixed a better source for this (WartimeNI.com, very good website for Irish air accidents, with full coverage). Britishfinance (talk) 20:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

• Should this section in the footnotes be put in quotes? It's lifted directly from the source. Yoninah (talk) 20:28, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

•  Done, the source of the text is the reference attached (Paul Tempan of MountainViews), but have put in quotes to clarify attribution. thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 20:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you. I changed your Amazon links to Google Book links. Restoring tick per Buidhe's review. Yoninah (talk) 20:33, 27 April 2020 (UTC)