Talk:Mount Ararat/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jburlinson (talk · contribs) 23:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I'll be glad to review this article for GA status. I'm sorry it's taken so long. I will probably make some minimal changes during the course of the review -- punctuation, spelling, typos, grammar, minor wording, etc. I hope that's OK. If any of these changes are problematic for you, feel free to revert or revise. With luck, I should be finished within 7 days. Thanks to all who have contributed to this article.--Jburlinson (talk) 23:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I've had a bit of a health issue which has set me back a couple of days. Sorry for the delay. Surely by end of week.--Jburlinson (talk) 02:24, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jburlinson: are you going to review the article? ----Երևանցի ^talk 19:16, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Jburlinson: and @Yerevantsi: It seems that this review is stale and the reviewer has not committed fully. It has been 2 months. Yerevantsi, do you want me to fail this or have myself take up the review? AmericanAir88 (talk) 20:00, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@AmericanAir88: I would greatly welcome you to review the article. ----Երևանցի ^talk 10:31, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Yerevantsi: Will do. Sorry for the delay you had to experience AmericanAir88 (talk) 13:37, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

New Review

@Yerevantsi:

References and Violations

• Dead links: Refs 29, 43, 78, 178 are dead.

 Fixed----Երևանցի ^talk 19:30, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

• Dead Notes: Note "j"'s 4 links are all dead.

 Fixed I've replaced the dead links with archived ones.----Երևանցի ^talk 19:30, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

• Copyvios: The 5th bullet in note "c" is completely copy and pasted. (I know its a quote, but the source provided by the note is not the same as the one copy and pasted)
  • From the 4th paragraph of the source, first four lines were copy and pasted.--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Weasel Words

See WP:Weasel Words

• "Despite the scholarly consensus" Who made the consensus?

Well all scholars who have written on the topic agree with it.----Երևանցի ^talk 16:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

• "it has been widely accepted " according to whom?

According to the sources cited in the article. ----Երևանցի ^talk 16:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

• "has been considered" Considered by whom?

It literally says "considered a sacred mountain by Armenians"----Երևանցի ^talk 16:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

• "Armenian historians" who?
  • Changed to "most Armenian historians" for more info, a reader can look up in the references.--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• "given by some encyclopedias and reference works." Which ones?

Named some of the notable ones.

• "Historical records and oral history" who?

Reworded.----Երևանցի ^talk 16:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

• " Most historians and Bible scholars agree" who?
  • Listed in note "c".--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• "are considered by scholars" Which scholars?
  • Listed in the refs provided, plus there is a citation following that sentence.--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

General

• The second half of the first paragraph in the lead is confusing. Elaborate more and maybe add more sentences to improve clarity.
  • Check again please.--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• In the lead, could you put more info on the Middle Ages first ascent attempts
  • It was added.--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• "From the 16th century until 1828 Great Ararat's summit and the northern slopes, along with the eastern slopes of Little Ararat were part of Persia, while the range was part of the Ottoman-Persian border." Confusing sentence

 Fixed----Երևանցի ^talk 08:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

• "The mountain is known as Ararat in European languages,[21][22] however, none of the native peoples have traditionally referred to the mountain by that name." Why have they not referred to it by that name?

Because each has a native name for it.----Երևանցի ^talk 08:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

• "Since at least about 1957, it has been shrinking." Rework the sentence and maybe expand

 Fixed----Երևանցի ^talk 19:51, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

• Do a sweep on "Geological History" for grammar. It doesn't seem to be correct in some areas.
  • Examples please--Cheetah (talk) 08:33, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• "The chronology of Holocene volcanic activity associated with Mount Ararat is poorly documented." Why?
  • Reworded--Cheetah (talk) 08:33, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• The "non-armenian" section needs a ton of work. Its layout is confusing.
  • The layout is fine now.--Cheetah (talk) 08:33, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Avoid small sentences, they make the prose choppy
• "Places named" needs more references.

 Doing...----Երևանցի ^talk 19:51, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

• • Unreferenced stuff is taken out.--Cheetah (talk) 08:33, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

AmericanAir88 (talk) 15:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC) @Yerevantsi: Issues are posted and should be addressed. On-hold for now. AmericanAir88 (talk) 02:47, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

I will try to address as many of these issues as soon as I can. However, I will not be active for around 10 days. So I beg your patience. ----Երևանցի ^talk 18:26, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

@Yerevantsi: Ok, I understand. Keep me updated, anything over 10 days you need to talk to me as I do not want to feel as the review is abandoned. Have a nice vacation. AmericanAir88 (talk) 18:37, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

@Yerevantsi: It has been more than 10 days and I see that you are back. I hope you enjoyed the break. Can you get started on these issues soon? AmericanAir88^(talk) 22:38, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

@AmericanAir88: I'd like to continue Yerevantsi's work if you don't mind.--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

@Yerevantsi: @Crzycheetah: I am going to pass this but if you plan for FA, this needs work. Thank you cheetah for the help. AmericanAir88^(talk) 13:52, 9 September 2018 (UTC)