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Hi.

I have rewritten the article in order not to infringe any copyright.

Regards. Enficor 19:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Consider it saved! I've cleaned it up a bit, and I've added a stub template but this is far far from my areas of knowledge so I'm not sure whether it's the most suitable. A list of stub types can be found here if anyone wants to try and change it. - Zeibura S. Kathau (Info | Talk) 20:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

HelloEdit

This is one of the CAs for your class. Please consider adding a few references and citations to this article. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page for any help.

Regards.Gunit31 (talk) 06:43, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

This whole section probably warrants deletion - if it wasn't for it being a student's assessed work, I'd already have done this. It certainly needs substantial re-work.
  • It is borderline illiterate. The spelling is a mess, as is the grammar, layout, wiki formatting and basic structure.
  • The main reference used is a childrens' picture book [1]
  • The section added bears little relation to the article title and the assumed scope. This is Mobile cranes, not cranes in general, not fixed hoists or shadoofs.
  • As for all of the IEP engineering articles from Pune, they have two great failings: The student does not appear to understand the topic before beginning to write about it. The student certainly fails to communicate knowledge in their essay, because there is no plan or structure to the essay beforehand. Over and over these articles appear to have been written by bored students with a word count to meet and Google to help them do so. Sentences are plagiarised at random and pasted into the article, with no thought as to the article's direction or structure.
As any small child in an English class should be taught, an essay begins with a plan. A few points that the essay needs to cover in order to explain its basic premise. Then, and only then, is the bulky prose added to explain each of these points. If the topic is a technical one (and "mobile crane" should hardly be taxing for an engineering student), then there needs to be some study and internal learning made of the topic before making the plan. This obviously fails to happen here.
If I was a lecturer marking any engineering assignment for Pune, I would fail the lot. Although this is perhaps the worst example yet, none of these are worthy of a schoolchild, let alone a college student. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:35, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Further revertEdit

I've reverted the recent additions. Although not so bad in their quality, they weren't about mobile cranes. Before writing an article, it's essential that the student at least understands what its topic is, and what it isn't. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:18, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Removed "The History of Mobile Cranes in Great Britain" sectionEdit

I removed the section entitled "The History of Mobile Cranes in Great Britain" primarily because I believe it's a likely copyright violation from the cited book, Coles 100 years: the growth story of Europe's leading crane manufacturer, 1879-1979, by Martin Wilson, Karen Spink, Henry James Coles, Coles Cranes Ltd, but also because (like the book) it's heavily biased in favor of Coles, giving no attention to any other manufacturer. It was introduced in a single edit by a user with almost no other contributions. While history of mobile cranes in the UK is a worthwhile topic, this is not how to write about it. Dcoetzee 04:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Please do not delete material without good causeEdit

May I assure you that that section was not a copyright violation of the book (which I do have by the way) but was in fact written by a family member of one of the designers with access to original sources including photographs, letters and even photographs of the workforce. Furthermore it was not biased in favour of Coles, but on the contrary it included the stages by which Coles first rose to a leading position in the business and then declined The article also included data on the work done by Cosmos Cranes at their plant in Alfreton Derbyshire, leading to the award of the Queens Award for Industry / Design Council Award in 1977, This was the only occassion on which a mobile crane company won such an award and I feel it really should be mentioned in an article which was orginaly called "The History of Mobile Cranes in Great Britain" before I found it. Finally, I ask you to consider the nature of your comment that I am " a user with almost no other contributions....." That is true, because my everyday work as an academic in a completely different field leaves me with little time to post to Wikipedia - but am I ever likely to post more items when someone takes it upon themselves to delete material because of their own personal likes and dislikes ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mursillis (talkcontribs) 20:54, 28 September 2014 (UTC)