Talk:Mil Mi-28/Archive 1

Archive 1

Source

The data was quoted from http://www.aviation.ru/Mi/#28 by the owner of www.aviation.ru

NPOV

"Supierior to the Apache" is NPOV violation and will be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ProdigySportsman (talk • contribs)

+1 as AH-64 is listed in "comparable aircraft" section --jno 10:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

• what about "It is superior to the Apache in some respects?" since weapons payload and speed are slightly higher compared to the AH-64? It's neutral and factual...? (Bobbo9000 00:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Bobbo9000)
  
  
• I think making simple comparisons is misleading to the reader. You can't just simply say something is superior. Is the MI-28 battle tested, like the AH-64D? Is it superior by specifications or actual combat experience? Unless you have detailed personal knowledge it would be best to omit these assessments.--The Founders Intent 15:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

image

Can anybody find a newer image for this article? Please try remove this old, black & white picture.Eurocopter tigre 20:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

There is a better in-flight image at [[1]] (just click on the pic to get the image). However, the image info is in a Cyrillic language (probably Byelorussian?), so I don't know if it's a pic we can legally use. - BillCJ 00:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Cost?

I was researching military aircraft, but was unable to find a price for this particular one. Anyone know? If anyone adds it, please let me know.

RebDrummer61^alalala! [22:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)]

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 18:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Venezuela

Its is not true that they will receive 48 more helis in 2010, the russians said that they have now 12 helis for export ordres including Venezuela. Chavez ordered 4 MI-28 and final number rumored to be 10-12. The country cant afford to operate so many MI-28. John, Athens, 1 Jan 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.33.190 (talk) 05:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

North Korea?

The main article claims that Mi-28NAe export version was offered to North Korea. But it is very unrealistic that North Korea, of which economy and military budget has long been collapsed, will buy such expensive high-tech weapon system overseas. It is also unrealistic that russia would offer such weapons to north korea. I could not find such offer in newspaper or military journals. Can anybody find a source for that claim? Shaind (talk) 12:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

It needs a source, although it does seem plausible. In the early 2000s North Korea managed to acquire a license for producing T-90, BTR-80 and SA-17 derivatives, after Russia refused to sell them (along with requests for Tor SAMs, Su-27SK, MiG-29SMT, Mi-35, S-300V and a production line for MiG-23s). Not to mention, that North Korea's military budget is more than $ 5 billion. North Korea isn't as incapable as most people believe...

P.S.: I did find a source. Actually it was the first Google hit. - ☣Tourbillon ^A ? 19:22, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Same mechanics of Mi-17?

This Russian helicopter uses the same motor as Mi-17. Does it also uses the same mechanics as the Mi-17= too?Agre22 (talk) 16:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)agre22

Turkey to acquire Mi-28

Just want to point out that Turkey is in the negotiation phase in the acquirement of the Mi-28. [[1]]

I believe this should be listed. Thanks. AussieSkeptic82 (talk) 17:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Are negotiations still going on or did they fall through? I can find no news articles on this after July 2009. -fnlayson (talk) 17:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Fnlayson for your quick response, I will try and find additional references to this but I still believe it should be listed under a "possible acquisition" section on the article page. AussieSkeptic82 (talk) 05:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply but it seems that you are correct. There is no new information regarding the decision to purchase the MI-28 by Turkey after 2009. Still I believe all foreign nations that have put forward the intent to purchase should be listed on the Wiki article as it directly is a part of the relevant history of the Mi-28. The foreign nations that are listed should not just be nations that have expressed interest but have actually submitted the intent of purchase as in the case of Turkey (even if negotiations of purchase fail). AussieSkeptic82 (talk) 06:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not to certain aout the reliablity of the cited source. The piece is more of an editorial than a news report. Anyway, Turkey has focused most of its efforts in the last 15 yers on buying an attack helicopter through competition. This was won by Bell in the early 2000s, but fell through. In 2008, Turkey selected the A129I, wich is to be built in Turkey as the TAI T-129. Why would they want to buy Mi-28s too?

In general, the "Operational history" section of aircraft articles covers formal intersts, especially those that result in competition, and seirous prospective orders, as long as they have reliable sources. If this deal can be confirmed, then it should probably be in that section. However, just to be clear, we don't list potential orders in the "Operators" section (the one with the flags), as that is only for actual or confirmed purchases. - BilCat (talk) 07:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Development

The transition between the first two paragraphs is horrible. I'm not sure how to fix it; the content in para 1 does not appear related to para 2. --THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^PRAISE 13:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

The first paragraph is about early concepts and preliminary designs. The 2nd one starts with the actual design work. This does not seem that bad to me. My book generally start in 1980s and don't cover the preliminary work. -fnlayson (talk) 13:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I think the wording is a bit misleading, since the Mi-28 can't carry three troops, though it does have a space for one person for rescue purposes.It probably should be more apparent that the early design was likely scrapped. --THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^PRAISE