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GA Review

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Reviewer: SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 17:41, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Here is how this article currently compares against the GA criteria:

• Is it well-written?: Not bad, here are my comments:

• In the lead, it would be helpful to specify that Cliff Burton died in September 1986.

Don't you think it would be trite to have the same year repeated in back-to-back sentences?

I'm saying to include the month, not necessarily the year

Included the month in the third paragraph of the lead. It think it reads less jarring now.

• "During a busy summer" → "During the summer"

Busy means "gig-heavy" in our case. Should I modify it?

I realize what it meant, but no need to give adjectives to their summer in this instance

Done.

• "In a retrospective interview for Rolling Stone, Hammett stated the group"..... bit lengthy, I'd go with "Hammet told Rolling Stone that the group"

Done.

• "Instead, in January 1986 the master tapes were sent to Michael Wagener"..... place the time range at the end of the sentence

Done.

• It isn't really needed to mention other bands Wagener produced for

If I recall correctly, Metallica chose Wagener because they liked how he mixed the albums by those bands.

• "Rave reviews" isn't the ideal term to describe how this album was received

Added "positive" instead.

• No need to say the Rolling Stone review was contemporary or that the AllMusic review was "retrospective"

The reviews in the first paragraph were at the time the album was released, and the second paragraph features retrospective analysis. So those words kind of give the reader a time orientation when the reviews were published.

• "more musically and thematically consistent album"..... awkward phrasing that needs rewording, even if supported by the source

The meaning of "thematically consistent" is that all tracks discuss similar topics, as explained in the first paragraph of the 'Lyircs'.

• It's probably worth mentioning songs by name that Burton had worked on (i.e. To Live Is to Die) from And Justice For All

That would be useful, but the book doesn't specify which tracks.

• "became a staple of the band's setlist"..... something about this just doesn't read well

Corrected, wrote "live staple" instead.

• The "3D Movie" should be mentioned by name, which is Metallica Through the Never

Done.

• Is it verifiable?: FN's 9 (Classic Rock) and 57 (The Detroit News) are dead while FN65 (CAPIF) reads "The page cannot be found". The standard tracklisting needs to be cited. Also, Ultimate Guitar Archive (FN50) is unreliable per WP:ALBUM/SOURCES.

Replaced Ultimate Guitar with Blabbermouth.net, who originally published the article.

Let's not forget about the other citation concerns, though, Retrohead. Tracklisting needs to be cited, and non-working refs need addressing.

The track listing is referenced with the 60th cite from the digital reissue. If you want to check the Classic Rock source, you've got to sent an email request to them. Here is a link from another website if you want to check the quotes for their accuracy, but aside from that, I can not provide a direct link to Classic Rock because the entry is not accessible for non-members. As for The Detroit News, the article simply vanished from the Internet. I had the text when I added the information last summer, but now Google shows nothing about when I type article's title or the author. Alternative link

In that case, use FN60 in the "tracklisting" section as well as personnel. The Detroit News must be replaced/removed

Where should I incorporate the cite? Which field? As for the Detroit News, I'll look for some alternatives.

Place it right after the sentence saying James Hetfield wrote all lyrics.

Done, but there is a fullstop after the cite which shouldn't be there. I've noticed this phenomenon while ago, and that is why I avoid placing cites in the track listing template.

I've fixed this so it doesn't misplace the period. The only issues now are the Classic Rock ref and CAPIF ref still are not working, thus making their content more difficult to verify.

I have removed the Detroit News because I couldn't find the url and hand on heart, the information wasn't something crucially related to the song's live performance. There is a link above that mirrors the Classic Rock article, in order to verify Hammett's quote.

Don't forget about the CAPIF certification ref not working, Retrohead. Either replace this or remove it. This is the only thing left to do.

Removed it. I'll probably look for certifications in some other countries, but for now, I think that would be it.

GA!

• Is it broad in coverage?: Aside from minor focus issues listed above, my main concern is that there definitely needs to be at least some mention that its title track was the album's only single

Is it obligatory? The single was released only for the French market, and is out of print long ago.

I think just saying "The title track and album's only single" in "Live performances" would be enough.

Done per suggestion.

• Is it neutral?: Nothing of concern
• Is it stable?: All recent edits are simply to construct the article, not an issue in this case
• Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?: Album cover has adequate FUR

I'll place this article on hold for seven days.