Talk:Manchester Martyrs/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ironholds (talk) 19:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Lede

• I note you've got a citation point for "where the Irish community made up more than 10% of the population"; ledes should be either completely cited or not cited at all (excluding quotes).

• I'm aware that there are differing views on citations in the lead, none of them supported by the GA criteria. I tend to prefer a citation-free lead myself as well though, so I've removed it. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

• I would suggest compressing the four short paras into two long ones.

• I've compressed it into three. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

• "a group of 30–40" - "a group of 30–40 people"? I know they're unlikely to be confused for, say, ducks, but it helps clarify.

• Changed that to 30–40 Fenians. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

• The lead seems to be in reverse order. You start by saying they were sentenced to death, then that two other sentences were overturned, then why they were sentenced to death. I'd suggest changing the order to have the para starting "Allen, Larkin, and O'Brien" before "The sentences of execution on".

• It did look a bit muddled when I looked at it again, so I reorganised the whole thing. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Background

• "The whole of Ireland had been " - unnecessary, just "Ireland had been"; additionally, probably best to link Ireland to our article on the body of land.

• I think that's a good idea, so I've done it. I'm less certain that it'll stick with the Irish Republican editors though, but we can but hope. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

• "The Irish Republican Brotherhood (IRB) was founded on 17 March 1859 by James Stephens, aimed at the establishment of an independent democratic republic in Ireland" - "was aimed", or alternately just "The Irish Republican Brotherhood (IRB) was founded on 17 March 1859 by James Stephens, and aimed for the establishment of an independent democratic republic in Ireland".

• Changed to "with the aim of establishing ...". --Malleus Fatuorum 01:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• "number of Fenians and Fenian sympathisers".. you need to make it clear that you're referring to the IRB membership as well, and 100k Americans didn't choose to move to the UK just to piss off some bastard Englishmen.

• I don't agree that's what the sentence is suggesting. I think it's fine as it is. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• "During the early hours of 11 September 1867, police arrested two men found loitering in Oak Street, Shudehill, suspecting them of planning to rob a shop. Both were charged under the Vagrancy Act and held in custody. The Manchester police were initially unaware of their identities, but their colleagues in Ireland identified them as Kelly and Deasy." - is unreferenced.

• Now cited. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Rescue

• Seems fine.

Investigation

• Link The Times, for the benefit of our international readers.

• Done. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• "The Times of 14 November" - "on 14 November, The Times.." I'd suggest.

• Changed to "An article published in the 14 November edition of ... --Malleus Fatuorum 00:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• Link "reign of terror".

• It's already linked. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Committal proceedings

• Link prima facie

• Linked. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Trial

• You use "Twenty-six appeared" and "It was decided to charge the five" here; above you use "28 accused", but also "nine of the men". Please standardise.

• It is already "standardised". Sentences ought not to start with "26", for instance. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:53, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• Suggest compressing the short paras.

• I think they're just fine as they are. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Reprieves

• Fine.

Execution

• Fine.

Aftermath

• "The rescue inspired many to join the Irish cause for independence, and was also the inspiration for the song "God Save Ireland", Ireland's unofficial national anthem until it was replaced by "Amhrán na bhFiann" ("The Soldier's Song"). The events were important in shaping physical force Irish republicanism, the strand of Irish nationalism later represented by the Provisional Irish Republican Army. The events also – several years later – served to bring the parliamentary nationalists of the Irish Parliamentary Party under new leader Charles Stewart Parnell closer to the physical force men. Parnell told the Commons "there was no murder", and so helped create the conditions for the New Departure and the Irish National Land League and the subsequent "Land War" struggle against landlordism." - is unreferenced.

• Rewritten and cited. --Malleus Fatuorum 02:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Monuments

• Fine

Misc

• I note most of the images are on the right; I appreciate some are left-orientated, which is problematic, but generally they should alternate.

• I've switched one from right to left, despite the fact that image orientation is not one of the GA criteria. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• Point. I've passed the article, since all my concerns that were in the GAC have been dealt with. Ironholds (talk) 10:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)