Talk:Mam Sonando/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs) 07:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• I'll take this. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Checklist

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
	1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
	2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Fine
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Fine
	2c. it contains no original research.	Fine
	3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Fine
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Within definition
	6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.	Pending

Comments

• (born c. 1941) - Perhaps note that the article states he was so old at a certain time.
  • Added efn to add this detail.
• for school. - What school?
  • "When he returned to Cambodia in 1993 after spending the better part of 30 years in Paris - first for schooling in 1964 and then to flee the political chaos that engulfed the country when the Khmer Rouge took power in 1975 -" -- best I've found so far
• Fact tags for direct quotations
  • These are covered by the following citations, but added more immediate inline
    • Thanks. Just to point out, the GA criteria call for citations for direct quotations.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:37, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
• Labeling issues: Early life spanning the good part of sixty years? Need a different section header. Might be worth merging with below section, as half of the Early life section is about Beehive Radio.
  • Yeah, it's tough with somebody like Sonando. You just want to write "pre-international fame life" but that's not really a legitimate header. But I went ahead and merged the first two sections--I agree with you that that helps.
• which broadcasts on 105 FM. - Worth including a year here?
  • Thought about it and just removed the frequency as irrelevant detail. It's at the Beehive radio article if somebody needs it anyway.
• a new series of clashes between Sonando and Hun Sen. - They certainly weren't fighting, so another word may be needed
  • How about "disputes"?
• a protest against evictions for a new rubber plant, which residents accused of "land-grabbing". - Could be misread as the protest being accused of land grabbing
  • tweaked. I should have been using "that" here anyway.
• half a square meter to sleep in - might need a convert template here
  • How does that work when it's inside a quotation? I agree it'd be helpful, I just have no idea how to format it.
    • I think an addition in square brackets (indicating editorial comments) would be acceptable. Use the convert template, preview so you see the actual numbers, and copy/paste the actual imperial measurement into the article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:37, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
      • Done. -- Khazar2 (talk) 22:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
• What's the relation between the Royal Palace and Prime Minister?
  • Just that they're both part of the govt; the source doesn't really specify why the royal palace is the target here. (Perhaps the king has power of pardon).
    • If it's anything like Thailand, probably a lot more than that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:37, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
• 2013 Human Rights Defender at Risk award - is it notable?
  • The organization is notable, the award is eh. To put it another way, I wouldn't add it to Aung San Suu Kyi's article, but for such an already sparse article, it seemed worth adding as a measure of the international attention he's getting. The nomination did get a story in the VOA [1], for what that's worth.
• "devout Buddhist" - why the scare quotes?
  • Just regular quotes. Removed.
• Image needs a caption in the infobox
  • Done. The image is uncaptioned at VOA, leaving it potentially unclear what court appearance this photograph was taken at, so I'm making the caption generic.
• File:Mam Sonando.jpg: Copyright looks fine, but wouldn't a crop work better?
  • I'm possibly being influenced by my natural laziness here, but I actually like having the police/guards in the photo to make the context clear. Since he's mostly notable for his arrests, it seems appropriate.
• Are you absolutely certain there is nothing more on his personal life or history before returning to Cambodia?
  • I'm pretty certain that there's nothing more in English, though I do wonder what more I could find if I spoke Khmer. I am confident that his pre-Cambodia life isn't a "main aspect" per the (English) sources, though; after searches of Google Books, Scholar, and News as well as Highbeam, the Asia Times source is the only one I saw that discusses his pre-journalism biography in any detail. Almost all the information from that is now in the article. -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
    • Well, I can't help you with Khmer . For GA I think this would be okay, but for anything higher you'd need to consult Khmer sources. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:37, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Otherwise looks quite solid. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:29, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, really appreciate your taking a look! Just let me know if you see anything else or would like more work on any of the above. -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• Alright, just the one issue left. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:37, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• Got it, I think. -- Khazar2 (talk) 22:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• Looks good, passing as a GA. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for the review and suggestions! -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:24, 28 May 2013 (UTC)