Talk:List of military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War/Archive 2

Financial Aid by Germany

I read in this Wiki article :

"Financial aid

• €1.83 billion in bilateral aid since 2014.
• Approx. €4 billion via the EU in the form of grants and loans since 2014.
• €240 million via the EU in loans in 2022."

All of these 3 informations lack the information "until 12.02.2022". See the source there.

The source also says that Ukraine got loans over 350 Mio. € from Germany until 12.02.2022 (to that time, Ukraine could get loans over 150 Mio. € more from Germany, so in total 500 Mio. €).

That "Financial aid" part seems to be out dated anyways ... --2003:E5:771E:1A1:E915:DF45:6E84:124A (talk) 21:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Nazi salute image?

Refers to the image added by @Cimmerian praetor in the revision 11462329550, since 23 March 2023, that seemingly depicts or rather strongly suggests, respectively, an Ukrainian soldier performing a Nazi salute – furthermore, the only image in the article besides the map and which, too, is nowhere else used on Wikipedia [besides French special page].

1. What is the purpose of using precisely this image there?
2. Is the source trustworthy?
3. Is it really informative and objective or just suggestive or, at least, misleading?

David Schopenhauer (talk) 07:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

1. It is not a nazi salute, it doesn't look like one, and I've never seen a nazi salute performed in this way. The soldier is clearlz pointing in the direction that the salvo is being shot at. It is a picture of RM 70 firing, which all have been donated from the Czech Republic, and one particular piece was crowdfunded, which is why that picture is next to the part talking about Czech crodwfunded weapons.

2. I consider Ministry of Defense of Ukraine trustworthy.

3. Sorry, but you are seeing things that are not there. It is informative and objective picture accompanying information about RM 70 being crowdfunded.

I agree a couple more pictures of crowdfunded / donated equipment would be good on the page. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 13:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, after reassessing the file, @you are probably right. But, even then, its usage is inappropriate here (WP), since being promotional, partisan, ambiguous, emotionally charged, and distract from the actual information.

1. Obviously, I haven't recognized it correctly. I.a., due to manipulated hue and gamma of the image, the rotation of his arm isn't apparent. Or will it for everybody else? Methodological: Considering omnipresent misinformation campaigns, could it be abused for allegedly showing such?
2. That source isn't said ministry, but some particular profile whose authenticity isn't trivial (to me). Moreover, such source is all but a neutral observer.
3. Hence, again: Is it really objective? Is this depiction neutral, ergo, sufficiently suitable for encyclopedic use? (If including the soldier and gesture.)

David Schopenhauer (talk) 10:54, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

I disagree with you, but nevertheless I don't want to waste the time of either of us and so I replaced it with a different picture of the RM 70.

At the same time, thank you for your manners and bringing it to the talk page instead of simply deleting it, as many other users would do.

Have a nice day. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 11:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

"France was the largest arms exporter to Ukraine between 2014 and 2020".

This is a list of aid, so why has someone suddenly mixed arms export into the matter? Solbaertaerte (talk) 08:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

The Dutch Patriot SAM Launchers

The Netherlands already delivered the 2 Patriot SAM launchers last month (in April), according to Oryx (the source of the list of military equipment the Dutch sent to Ukraine). May someone please change the words “to be delivered” to “April 2023”? Maximations (talk) 15:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done ARandomName123 (talk) 20:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 May 2023 (2)

Please update the Canada section of the main table to include the latest Canadian military pledge announced on 25 May 2023, consisting of 43 AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles for Ukraine.

the source is an announcement on the Canadian government website: https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2023/05/defence-minister-anita-anand-announces-military-aid-for-ukraine-at-the-twelfth-meeting-of-the-ukraine-defense-contact-group.html

Thank you for your time. Panzerpampfpony (talk) 18:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Done. Borysk5 (talk) 11:15, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 May 2023

Please modify the Austria section of the main table to include the most recent aid announced on the 27th May consisting of €2 million euros from their Foreign Ministry's Foreign Disaster Fund to the International Trust Fund for the purchase of demining equipment for Ukraine.

Source is the Austrian government website. https://www.bmeia.gv.at/ministerium/presse/aktuelles/2023/05/oesterreich-finanziert-entminungsgeraet-fuer-die-ukraine-im-wert-von-2-millionen-euro/

If this aid is deemed more appropriate for the humanitarian aid article I will add it to that table instead.

Thank you for your time. Panzerpampfpony (talk) 17:10, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Done. Borysk5 (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Where did Switzerland go?|

I can't find them. Did they not send anything? Not even helmets or vests? 2A01:799:1B9B:C300:B87E:8763:BE40:EAC2 (talk) 23:24, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Switzerland was never on the list, as far as I know. Borysk5 (talk) 06:33, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Switzerland trains Ukrainian deminers. Source - Swissinfo--Artemis Dread (talk) 20:44, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Switzerland is on the humanitarian aid list. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 02:44, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Egypt and Serbia

Do Serbia and Egypt supply or have previously supplied arms to Ukraine? I read that both of these countries are supposed to deliver but I don't know if it's true. What about them? Know anything? Adijos08 (talk) 08:20, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Egypt is mentioned in the Pentagon leaks as selling shells to Ukraine via Western countries. However besides the leak there's no proof it actually happened. When it comes to Serbia, Canada bought Grad rockets from Serbia company and gave them to Ukraine (which is mentioned on the page). However there's no proof Serbian government knew about it or was involved so i didn't add it for Serbia. Borysk5 (talk) 14:37, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 June 2023

Please modify the Canada section of the main table to include the most recent military aid pledged to Ukraine consisting of contributions to training of Ukrainian pilots on western jet aircraft, 10,000 105mm artillery shells and 288 AIM-7 missiles, not 287 as stated in the table.

Source is a official statement on the website of the Canadian Prime Minister.

https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2023/06/10/prime-minister-visits-kyiv-ukraine

Thank you for your time. Panzerpampfpony (talk) 04:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Done. Borysk5 (talk) 06:06, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

@Panzerpampfpony Are you interested in receiving extended-confirmed permission so that you can directly edit the article instead of posting in the talk page and wait for someone to edit it for you? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 19:47, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

That would be very convenient yes, I would make sure to properly format and cite any new information regarding military aid to Ukraine. Thank you for your trust in this matter. Panzerpampfpony (talk) 00:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@Panzerpampfpony Granted. Cheers. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 01:21, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Request to add donations to Denmark

Please add the following for Denmark:

-Training of Ukrainian fighter pilots on F-16s (starting this August).

https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-denmark-f16/denmark-to-propose-august-start-of-ukraine-f-16-pilot-training-ritzau-news-agency-idUSKBN2XZ1MT

-Denmark also recently donated another 9000 artillery shells in cooperation with Norway.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/norway-denmark-donate-9000-rounds-artillery-ukraine-2023-06-15/ Bormscrop (talk) 09:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Done. Borysk5 (talk) 18:45, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Denmark has also shipped AT4s.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_april_2022_global_security_army_industry/denmark_has_delivered_at4cs_man-portable_anti-tank_weapons_to_ukraine.html

A list needs to be made for the opposite side

Why are country's support to the other side not listed and documented such as Iran and North Korea. They're mentioned in various articles, but no specific list exists for documenting the details. Sylvester Millner (talk) 21:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)