Talk:List of facial hairstyles

Value and direction of this list

I really only started this because I think the project needed the topic to show, visually, the different styles. I looked it up trying to find the name of that David Bowie under-the lip thing, the soul patch, which I now realize I forgot to add. I think I saw Howie Mandell and closed the tab.

As for description column, I think that may be worthless. Maybe that column could contain variations on the item, like for sideburns, adding mutton chops and lamb chops. I don't know. It's kind of a stupid list. If you want to AfD it, I might actually add "support". Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:30, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I like the list. I think it could probably be expanded a bit, but what I came here to say was that the current image used for 'mutton chops' is actually an example of 'friendly mutton chops' -- the difference being the moustache. Walliver (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:59, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I was just recently watching a series where a Russian deputy minister, Anatol Stolnavich, portrayed by Stanley Townsend in the show, "24: Live Another Day", was wearing a peculiar facial hair style. It is like a Van Dyke but the lower chin is shaved. I've never seen this style before and it isn't listed in the article. Anyone ever see it elsewhere or know a typical name for it? Veedgo (talk) 08:50, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Mutton chops

The picture of General Burnside appears to show "cavalry whiskers", as endorsed by Fraser's character Harry Flashman (there's a picture therein). Regardless, as this page and Facial hair both assert that mutton chops cannot be joined by a moustache without becoming "Friendly mutton chops", that picture seems inapropos. Others with more expertise and access to more images may be able to replace it or explain whether Burnside himself actually had sideburns at all, as opposed to a wholly different type of hairstyle. Czrisher (talk) 18:57, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Controversial edit

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  Clean shaven man
  (clean shaven)
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  Celso Pitta
  (clean shaven)
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  Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
  (chinstrap beard)
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  50 cent
  (chinstrap beard)

This edit:

• removed "Clean shaven man" and put back "Celso Pitta".

Celso Pitta's face is obscured by his hand a the mic.

• removed "Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn" and put back "50 cent".

50 cent's entire chin underside is nearly invisible. That entry is supposed to describe a Chinstrap beard.

I know there are a few too many black & white pics, and pics of caucasians. However, the Celso Pitta and 50 cent images are worse than the ones they replace in terms of information they convey.

Thoughts?

Ping User:Theo Mandela

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:00, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, and that edit also removed the Friendly muttonchops entry entirely. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:10, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

References

I would suggest a compromise: Use none of the four images. Find recent/colour/non-caucasian ones that work, whatever satisfies the community, including the editor who reverted. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:29, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

The tricky thing is that, looking at Wikimedia Commons, a lot of images that might work are either very small, or not really great representations. Just having a good look to see what I can find, will be right back. Mabalu (talk) 11:57, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

For example, File:Passport photo of man with chinstrap beard.jpg would be a good image of a chinstrap on a POC if it a) wasn't so small and b) wasn't distorted by being uploaded in the wrong ratio. Mabalu (talk) 12:12, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

OK, just adjusted the ratio and re-uploaded, and it looks a lot better, so much so that I boldly went ahead and substituted it into the article. Mabalu (talk) 12:19, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Image suggestions

Selected for being in colour/reasonably clear and/or showing more diversity

• Clean shaven (needs cropping)
  Clean shaven (needs cropping)
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  Neckbeard (crop?)
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  Chin curtain
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  Handlebar moustache

Thoughts

User:Anna Frodesiak and User:Mabalu, first of all I like the new chinstrap image a lot (the passport guy) and the new handlebar moustache is great, neckbeard image is good but I'm not sure if neckbeard is supposed to have sideburns at all. As for any images on the article, my priorities are colour (as in new image/old image), preferably, how clear, right size/proportion, how well they represent the hairstyle, being a good example of the style (all crucial in my opinion). Ethnicity is second rate importance really (although a wider range of ethnicities and nationalities are represented equally on List of hairstyles article), although I think clean shaven image should be recently clean shaven black man (substitute for Pitta), because it's one of those were no differences in hair texture show up at all.--Theo Mandela (talk) 20:22, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Mabalu, for your very valuable work and input. Thank you, Theo Mandela, for being so compromising about the whole thing. I've said my bit, so I'll stay out of it as much as possible and just watch. All the best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:12, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't really know much about the fine details of neckbeards either, but I think this image would qualify, as it clearly shows a (mostly clean-shaven) face with a signficant growth under the chin, and most people have sideburns, whatever their facial hair, so I don't think it's a particular issue here - what is more important is that the illustration clearly shows hair growing under the chin and a mostly bare face, so it gives a sense of what the style is. User:Theo Mandela, are there any other images that you would particularly like to address? It's worth noting that Flickr also had shots of an (also appropriately cleared) East Asian man with a handlebar moustache, which I did consider using in the interest of diversity, but the image I used was just such a much stronger and clearer handlebar illustration. Mabalu (talk) 23:33, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

No User:Mabalu, I say keep the present handlebar image, it more than qualifies. I've had a look at all the present images, and though they could all stay, I'll ask if you could find a clearer picture of Italo Balbo (or a more focused crop), a better image of Fu Manchu (the current one hides too much) and I bet any close-up image of Frank Zappa will show his unique goatee style (the current one is half in the dark). Also got to be careful with the clean shaven image that it's a recent shave otherwise it enters 5 O'clock shadow territory.👍--Theo Mandela (talk) 00:10, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

What about the friendly muttonchops removal? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:24, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

One point I would make about Fu Manchu is that the style of moustache was worn long before Fu Manchu was a thing, so we see images of pre-20th century Chinese men wearing this style of facial hair. But it would be racist and offensive to apply the name to such images, as the term did not exist before then. This is a tricky one to illustrate. There may be publicity images for the Fu Manchu films that can be used, but it's worth bearing in mind that those are fake moustaches. I also realised that the image we were using is non-free and does not have clearance/fair use claim for this page. I've substituted a drawing from Commons for the time being. Mabalu (talk) 10:22, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

I also feel that if we are talking about facial hairstyles, it is helpful to see the complete face so that we can see how the facial hair relates to the face. Also, given that this started out with concerns about lack of diversity, it's kind of ironic that the stubble picture (the only one to show a man of Central Asian origin) should be swapped back in preference of an image showing a white/Caucasian chin. Not going to change it back without consensus, just pointing it out. Mabalu (talk) 10:34, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

I've also swapped out the second Abraham Lincoln picture for a shot of a Japanese actor, as there were two pics of Abe to illustrate two different beard styles, and both pictures aren't great quality (very dark/shadowy around the chin) so that the beards look closely similar at first glance. Most goatees on Commons are of the connected "circle" type so this was the best representation I found, although there is aiso Nihad Portrate(which is perhaps slightly better?) or Alberto Firma. Also, Artur Noga, but the quality is not as good. Mabalu (talk) 10:52, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

The description in stubble column says it should be not much more than 5 hours growth, the stubble image was bad (hard to see the stubble because his skin tone was too conflicting with the colour of his facial hair), I'd say the "stubble" guy (in fact, most of the images you've put on this article, bar the clean shave Frank Ocean guy) was ugly (just think, no one viewing the page wants to see that, they'll jump for the nearest razor). David Lowery was probably the best contribution you made so far, diversity is not so important. Also, I'm sure your already aware, the Fu Manchu image has to be replaced with a real person soon.--Theo Mandela (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm very sorry that you think that the images are "ugly," and given that lack of PoC/diversity was the original issue that led to the attempts to resolve, I am somewhat confused to be told that it is "not so important" now... Getting conflicting messages here. But I don't think that it matters or not whether someone else thinks an image is "ugly" as long as the image is a good illustration of what it is illustrating. For the record, I do not think any of these guys are ugly, just in case they happen to come across this talk page. I have looked around for a Fu Manchu image, but almost every free-use image I can find is NOT of a proper Fu Manchu (so many horseshoe moustaches). Perhaps you will have more luck finding something that meets your ideas of non-ugly than I appear to be doing so far. Mabalu (talk) 22:34, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

User:Mabalu, I'll have no luck as I don't upload images myself, I've had a quick look through Google images for you (got this [1]. Also, you ease up on changing the images, but I know and appreciate that you've helped. In my opinion this is a good representation of facial hair types (there might be some missing), as for images these could be changed:

• Van Dyke (what do you think? Is it too hidden?)
• Neckbeard (because sideburns aren't part of the style, see John Adams Dix image)
• Muttonchops (could be a closer image)
• Goat patch (not bad, not too clear, I know there's much better ones that could be added)
• Zappa (good, but half hidden, should be Frank either way)

--Theo Mandela (talk) 21:29, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

User:Theo Mandela, I just need to give you a quick primer in non-free-use images. Your link to the Google results does not show any images that we can safely use without requiring permission from a copyright holder, apart from the Commons drawing. We need to look for images that specifically allow commercial use with modifications, such as this search - and you'll see most of the hits are for the drawing. There are a couple of images of a guy from Flickr that have clearance to use, here BUT the moustache is fake, it's just him sticking bits of hair to his face with glue, so it's not a good depiction. Literally, there are no free-use Fu Manchu images that we can use - they are either mis-identified horseshoes, or fakes, or very unclear. We can't just pick any random image we like and upload it - it needs to have the correct permissions attached. Mabalu (talk) 23:44, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Well User:Mabalu, go for the fake image since the images of Christopher Lee are fake as well and in yellowface.--Theo Mandela (talk) 00:04, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Also: Have a look at Category:Facial hair on Wikimedia Commons to see what there is, especially at all the different categories, you'll see LOTS of mis-identified facial hair I'm sure...

Van Dyke - I think the current image is not good for showing the style, too much shadowed and hidden. We could always use Van Dyke's own self portrait of himself wearing the beard and moustache... (see below)

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  Muttonchops (pretty epic!)
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  The original Van Dyke on Van Dyke himself

Here's what we have for Zappa on Commons: Frank Zappa images - as you'll see, the images are either not good quality or too small, or not clear. Mabalu (talk) 00:27, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Also - with respect, re: using the fake image - No. I'm not going to do that. A guy with hair-clippings sloppily glued to his face is nowhere near being a remotely acceptable encyclopaedic image for illustrating a style of facial hair. I also have issues with perpetuating yellowface and other racist imagery, and don't want them associated with my user ID. So I'm sorry, but this is not something I am prepared to do. Mabalu (talk) 00:42, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

If this classes as a Van Dyke it could be cropped and added

Mabalu, any Frank Zappa albums or singles covers usually feature close-ups of his face with clear examples of Zappas, but not sure if these images can be used more than once anywhere on Wikipedia.--Theo Mandela (talk) 19:48, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

That guy you suggested for Van Dyke looks more like a version of the Zappa to me. Van Dycks I would think of as being more pointy and less blocky, the goatee is usually in a point and the moustaches tend to be more curly and feathery. It's sort of Van Dyck-ish. To me, this is what I think of when I think of a Van Dyck:

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  Textbook example of the Van Dyck beard

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  Probably the best

Mabalu, none of them are too clear (van Dyke himself might be the worst because half of it isn't there), but here's the Van Dykes from Wikimedia. I'll let you half the last say 👍.--Theo Mandela (talk) 17:45, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm... You're right, none of them are too clear. The black and white photo of William Wetmore is good, but perhaps not enough contrast to distinguish grey beard from grey skin in a black and white pic? I wish the Adolphe Lalyre self portrait had higher contrast too, because it's a good depiction, but not very clearly defined colour quality. Mabalu (talk) 21:41, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

I had a go at tweaking the colour contrast and balance on the Lalyre portrait, what do you think? I think it is probably the best depiction on Commons, and with the colour adjusted, it looks much clearer. Mabalu (talk) 22:04, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

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User:Mabalu, even as a small image here I can see the outline of handlebar/pointed goatee, so until I see something clearer this should be used on the page.

Now looking at the page in full, do you think there's anything that should be changed/added? 👍--Theo Mandela (talk) 18:05, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

The Zappa?

Is this really a facial hair type? The only reference is a page of rather silly beard types (like Klingon). I don't think it should be on the list. Czolgolz (talk) 02:13, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

According to Philips it's a type of moustache (see [2]) and here with all the other main styles ([3], should source this btw). Former Hell's Angels President George Christie had this style.--Theo Mandela (talk) 04:11, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Goatee and stubble (five o'clock shadow)

User:Mabalu and User:Anna Frodesiak, just checking extreme close-ups are ok, like stubble picture (which is good) and goatee picture (good and not used anywhere else on Wikipedia). If not Louis C.K. has a good example of a goatee.--Theo Mandela (talk) 18:35, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Van Dyke

Hi! Can we have this picture for Van Dyke please?

Another thing, I don't think there should be a "Goatee and moustache" entry, because it's basically a goatee or van dyke. Thank you!--2A02:C7D:892B:3D00:A1F0:D634:9A5B:7FBF (talk) 09:14, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Bald fade

Machohairstyles.com highlights many styles that aren't represented on the article at the moment, like beard fade, or bald fade which has 16 page worth of photos of men with this style. This should be added to the article as a style please, Theo (edits) 08:07, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Hulihee

Hulihee is an article. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:06, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: Please only add it if there's reliable sources. I'm not entirely sure the references the article has now are reliable (like [4], which shows made-up and even impossible facial hair styles like the "Super Mario" moustache). Theo (contribs) 20:14, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Theo. Well, dyers is a terrible source. I will leave this to other. I just wanted to bring it to the attention of article waters at this article. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:29, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: Happy to add more styles, but the small Wikipedia article for Hulihee has a Wikipedia:Citation needed tag and the only two sources cited look unreliable, so my advice would be to avoid adding the style here until reliable sources are found. Do you know if Dyers is on a list of unreliable sources? Should I remove the ref from the article? Theo (contribs) 20:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Dyers is a blog. It is one person's opinion. It fails WP:RS horribly. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:58, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: I've removed it now, also if you know confidently that a source is unreliable please feel free to remove it or start a discussion on removing it on the article's talk page. Cheers, Theo (contribs) 21:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Theo. Good job removing it. Thanks. The other source looks like rubbish too. I'll post over there. Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:53, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Hulihee!! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:01, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Clean shaven

A clean-shaven Cliff Curtis looking ruggedly handsome

We've apparently lost the clean shaven file. Can someone put up a new one?Czolgolz (talk) 22:22, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

I dug up the Jack LaLanne from the history and put it back. Then, User:Theo Mandela swapped in the Cliff Curtis. Then an IP put the LaLanne back. Theo says the Curtis is not best because of a shadow over his top lip and that a better image needs to be found. I think the Curtis is good for now. He's not white, which is good, and it's a pretty good clean-shaven face. That's where we are now. Shall we dig up better clean shaven or just leave things as they are? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:30, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: If no one thinks the shadow is important, then I'll happily add Curtis back, it's better really because it's a recent colour photo. Although it looks like LaLanne has a closer shave, it's probably because Curtis' hair is darker and more coarse, and therefore shows a shadow even after a recent shave. Theo (contribs) 02:07, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Theo. He looks pretty clean shaven to me. Feel free to put it back. If the IP reverts, we'll deal with that then. Sound good? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:32, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak:  Done I won't revert the IP's change of beard image though, because it's actually better than the one I added. If you think he's handsome, you should watch Fear the Walking Dead ha ha, he's the lead in it. Theo (contribs) 03:53, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Theo. I'll check out Fear the Walking Dead. Sure, if the IP reverts, we can just start a discussion if we feel like it. I just tried to find clean shaven men at commons. I added the category to a few from Icelandic politicians. I'd really like non-white, though. But, when I tried Indian politicians, they all had moustaches. I mean all! :) Any suggestions on a nationality? East Asians don't shave much in the first place. Indians are all about the moustache. Africans have such dark skin that the clean shavenness doesn't show up too well. What would be best is a category of a nation of lighter brown people. Thoughts? Ohhh, maybe Native North Americans, eh? They're under-represented. I'll have a looksee. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:13, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: A lot of IP's just edit articles once but there was a user with an account, User:Allamerican85, who was vandalising the article recently that seems to have stopped now, the best way to deal with it for me is to keep the article in my watchlist. I'd been looking for better images for muttonchops (colour image), goat patch (less fuzzy image), and Zappa (one that wasn't half hidden) but couldn't find much on Commons. Theo (contribs) 04:45, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Graham Greene

Michael Greyeyes, an actor of First Nations descent (also Fear the Walking Dead) is always clean shaven. List of hairstyles gave me the idea to make the list a bit more ethnically diverse, it's not a necessity, but it's more representational of all people. I thought of Polynesians (Māori, Samoan, etc.), one Samoan actor I thought of for beard image was Cooper Andrews from The Walking Dead, but there's no images of him on Commons. Theo (contribs) 05:00, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Theo. Michael Greyeyes' image is good. I posted at the relevant project. If they come up with something good, fine, otherwise Michael is fine. Thanks for your good input on this article. I'm so glad I started it. It gets good hits now and good editors like you help make it good. Thank you so much! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:47, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: You're welcome! Theo (contribs) 08:02, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to boldly swap in Graham Greene. Canadian First Nations people are under-represented and it's a pretty good photo. Revert if you don't like it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:43, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Good choice Anna. And what a perfectly lovely page this is - just makes me wonder how many other gems there are in this great endeavor of ours that I never knew about. (I've always loved mustaches. My husband had a wonderful full one--it made him look Mexican, which I just loved)Gandydancer (talk) 20:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gandydancer. Long time! :) Thanks for the kind words. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:47, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

• I swapped in Sigurjón Þórðarson's chin, which is my opinion a bit clearer. Prince of Thieves (talk) 00:36, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Prince of Thieves, I'm sorry to say that I object. Almost all of the images are of a full head. This half head seems odd. Plus, it's another white person and if we can add an image to prevent systemic bias, then we ought to. There was nothing wrong with Graham Greene. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:47, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

I actually cropped it from the full head because I was under the impression that was a preference, as Beard, Goatee and moustache and stubble are also half heads. The subject is from Iceland, and there aren't many people from Iceland featured anywhere on Wikipedia, so i'm not personally worried about bias, though any other images could be seriously looked at. I will substitute a full head and look for other images. Prince of Thieves (talk) 00:57, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

But while Icelandic people may be under-represented, they are also white, who are over-represented. I think an indigenous person of North America is a better choice. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:04, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

I would agree, but for the fact that Sigurjón's photo is taken in better light with at least double the resolution. And they both look equally white (at least to me, from the photographs). Prince of Thieves (talk) 01:29, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Obviously systemic bias does matter, so I replaced 8 images where I could find equal or better images without too much effort. It should be a bit more balanced now. Prince of Thieves (talk) 01:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Prince of Thieves. Your effort is appreciated. I must say, though, that a number of these new images have issues in terms of lighting not being pure examples. Plus, I the white man is still replacing the indigenous person of North America. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:33, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Anna. You can put Graham's photo back. We still need to find a better photo for sidewhiskers, as it's the last image that is a painting rather than a live photo, Also President Lincoln's photo is quite unclear. It also surprises me there isn't a better photo of Zappa, but I can't find one. Prince of Thieves (talk) 14:54, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

I've had to swap back the images for beard, moustache, and neckbeard because the man in the beard picture had a shaved moustache, the image should ideally be an unmodified full beard. For now the beard image is a half head, but if you want a full head image could be found. The moustache image just wasn't a moustache and the previous image was fine as it was. The neckbeard image had hair connecting his sideburns to the hair under his jawline, a true neckbeard only has hair growing on the neck and under the jawline. You said Graham Greene could be swapped back so I did, and I'd recommend the images for goatee (the new one is more hidden, was fine as was), handlebar moustache (the new one isn't nearly as clear), pencil moustache (the first image was clearer and a better example), Van Dyke (even though it was a painting, it was a better depiction of a Van Dyke) and walrus moustache (was fine as was) be swapped back. The new stubble image also seems to have been growing a goatee before he stopped shaving. Diversity isn't more important than clear images that truly represent the said facial hairstyle, it doesn't mean there can't be any white people at all. Theo (contribs) 20:05, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to use Nero for the chinstrap beard. We have plenty of people of color so that would not be a problem. What do you think? Gandydancer (talk) 03:43, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

@Gandydancer: There are no photos of Nero, even though the current image doesn't show the chinstrap as well as it could, a picture of real facial hair is better than a picture of marble. What would be great is if someone on Wikipedia grew or shaped a certain style and added a good, clear image to Wikimedia Commons that could be added here. Theo (contribs) 04:23, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Between a painting, a photo, and a statue, how would one decide that one is "better" than the others? Gandydancer (talk) 16:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

• If there was a decent painting or facial reconstruction that could be used. I am considering that we do not have a complete list here, see [5] and [6], this [7] and [8]. I don't think these are reliable sources as such, but there do seem to be some distinct styles not listed here. Prince of Thieves (talk) 09:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Full or half heads

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Opinions? I prefer heads unless no alternative. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:50, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

• Go for full heads, they look better and are more complete + showing sideburns requires a full head and consistency is good. Prince of Thieves (talk) 00:57, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'd say stubble could be a reasonable exception. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:04, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't care for the half-head. Gandydancer (talk) 03:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Gandydancer! I move for no half heads anywhere. The article would look better overall. And to show what a fantastic suggestion this is, I will personally support it with bold letters and compliments to the suggester. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:58, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

• Support full heads only Great suggestion Anna! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:58, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. It was actually your suggestion. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you both! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Would you three just stop this nonsense? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:00, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:00, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:00, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorry. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:00, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

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English moustache

Please see here. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:35, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Potential mutton chops image

Here. Although a lot smaller, they are technically mutton chops. This image is also lighter than the current image. I would advise cropping the image slightly if you use it, otherwise the current image is better. --Theo (contribs) 08:23, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I feel that this is too far from the standard muttonchop style. It is almost another variant in itself. Prince of Thieves (talk) 20:48, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, not standard, and there must be alternatives. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:39, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Mutton chops (Luke Scott)

Could be cropped to focus more on the face.

Looks like Scott's mutton chops are trimmed regularly, so not as much growth as the current image on the article, although this image is better focus and in colour. --Theo Mandela (talk) 22:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Abhinandan moustache

Currently image 2 is being used for the Abhinandan moustache:

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Clarification on inclusion of Abhinandan moustache

I think the one used in the article would be better, that is image 3. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 08:42, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: I see that you've added Abhinandan's style to this list. But I don't at all think that this should be present on this list. Generally, styles (be it facial hair or fashion styles) trend for some time for the sole reason that they were fashioned by some popular figures. These fade off gradually. I think it should only be listed here if it was practised for a long time across countries. I would like to your thoughts behind adding these. KCVelaga (talk) 15:23, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Of course, KCVelaga. I'm sorry. I forgot to remove it after the article for the moustache was deleted. I'll remove it at once. Many thanks for bringing it to my attention. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: Ah! I see, thank you. KCVelaga (talk) 06:53, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

And thank you! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:14, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Payot

@Anna Frodesiak:@KCVelaga: Hello, do you think payot should be added here as a style? I also removed scruffy goat because it was unsourced but there is a YouTube video that mentions it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xD2BMuflnxg

CDC lists some additional styles

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/FacialHairWmask11282017-508.pdf published by the Center for Disease Control lists a bunch of hairstyles, some of which aren't in this article.

In alphabetical order, they have:

• Anchor *
• Balbo
• Bandholz *
• Chevron *
• Chin curtain
• Circle beard *
• Clean shaven
• Dali *
• Ducktail *
• English *
• Extended goatee *
• French fork *
• Fu Manchu
• Full beard
• Garibaldi *
• Goatee
• Handlebar
• Hulihee *
• Imperial *
• Lampshade *
• Long stubble *
• Mutton chops
• Painter's brush *
• Pencil
• Side whiskers
• Soul patch
• Stubble *
• Toothbrush
• Van Dyke
• Verdi *
• Villain *
• Walrus
• Zappa
• Zorro *

(*) not listed in our article

~Anachronist (talk) 19:53, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

— I believe "Bandholdz beard" is the same as Ned Kelly beard, I have added a note for it.
— Added garibaldi, verdi, ducktail, French work (as forkbeard), anchor, painter's brush, chevron, lampshade, English, and Dali.
— "Long stubble" appears redundant distinction.
— What it calls "imperial", isn't actually imperial according to the sources I read; imperial refers to a curly mustache, so, what it calls "villain" is actually the imperial mustache.
— "Extended goatee" is usually called "extend circle beard", but I'm not sure if it's worth adding.
— I reckon "handlebar" depicted here isn't a handlebar mustache but shorter form of the English mustache.
— "Hulihee" looks to be the same as our entry on sidewhiskers.
— I did not found a source on the "Zorro mustache", it appears to be just a pencil mustache.
Go-Chlodio (talk) 19:34, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Does anyone know the name of this beard? May we include it?

Hello editors,

His epic beard.

While restoring and colorizing the left image of Paul Revere's grandson, Joseph Warren Revere, it came to my attention that his beard is quite unique. I have not been able to find a comparable beard online, even when searching "braided beard," "3 pronged beard," "three forked beard," etc. I then propose this is an unprecedented style of beard (i.e., Revere pioneered this weird beard). Since he is a historically significant figure, and we are aiming to have an exhaustive list of styles, I propose we discuss its worthiness of addition to the list. What do you think? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evedawn99 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 16 June 2022 (UTC)