Talk:List of extinct languages and dialects of Europe/Archive 1

Archive 1

dē linguā Latīnā nōn mortuā vel extīnctā - about Latin - that is not dead or extinct!

Salvēte legentēs scrībentēsque! Hello readers and writers!

Est fābula, nōn vērum linguam Latīnam esse mortuam/extīnctam - It's a legend, not the truth, that the Latin language would be dead/extinct.

Haec vincula satis faciant argūmentātiōnī: - These links should be enough for an argument:

"wikia": - wikis: prīmus nexus huic locō est aptus: - The first link is apt to this site: http://la.wikipedia.org/

alter nōn secus: - not less the second: http://la.bibliotheca.wikia.com/

pāgina Vicipaediae Latīnae: huic reī dēdicāta - the article of the Latin Wikipedia on this subjekt: http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinitas_viva ('soror anglica' - 'the English sister': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_Latin#Living_Latin et quae īnfrā sunt omnia and all below)

circulii Latiinii (omnibus prōpositīs apertī): Circles of Latin speakers (open to all subjects): http://www.latinitatis.com/vita/circuli.htm e.g. http://www.circulus.fr/ etiam vinculārium fundātiōnis melissae īnspiciātur(per nexum alterum)! You should also look at the link collection of the Fundatio Melissa(via the second link)!

vinculāria: - link collections: http://www.latinitatis.com/vita/vincula.htm http://web.me.com/fundatiomelissa/Site/Nexus.html http://www.circulus.fr/vincula/vincula.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_Latin#Notes ;-) hoc ultimum certē satis interētiālium locōrum Latīnorum mōnstrat ! This last one surely shows enough Latin websites!

Quārē nunc ēnumerāre locōs dēsinō: ipsae ipsīque iam indicātōs scrūtāminī! Thus I stop enumerating sites: explore you yourself the already indicated ones!

Quod ad fācundiam attinet: Certē multae multīque sunt nōn tam facundī Latīnē loquentēs, sed hās tantum īnspiciātis epistulās: http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/epistulae.php In multīs eārum magna appāret fācundia!

When it comes to fluency or even eloquence: Surely many of the Latin speakers are not that fluent or eloquent, but look at these letters alone: http://ephemeris.alcuinus.net/epistulae.php In many of them great eloquence is shown!

Hinc condiciōnī ad "mortem linguae" necessāriae nōn satisfacit lingua Latīna: Thence the condition necessary for "language death" is not fullfilled in case of Latin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_death 
In linguistics, language death (...) is a process that affects speech communities where the level 
of linguistic competence that speakers possess of a given language variety is decreased, 
eventually resulting in no native and/or fluent speakers of the variety.

Nam istud "vel" absurdumst: īnspectīs exemplīs suprā allātīs et porrō secūtīs - QUIS MEHERCLE DĪCAT ESSE "MORTUAM" LINGUAM LATĪNAM - tantummodo ob eam "causam", quod nūllae nūllīque reperiuntur loquentēs nātīvī?

As that "or" is absurd: having looked at and followed the examples cited above - WHO BY GOD WOULD SAY LATIN WOULD BE "DEAD" - only for the "reason", that there can't be found any native speakers?

In summam: Lingua Latīna minimē est mortua - conclusion: Latin is by no means dead!

Ergō secundum condiciōnēs in summā reī pāginā praepositīs nōn est extīncta. Ergo after the conditions set up in the first part of the article it is not extinct.

(Cēterum absūrdum est linguam Latīnam sub "Italiā" dūcere: Est ItaliCA - sed iam dūdum est lingua Eurōpaea! btw it is absurd to count Latin under "Italy": it's an italiC language - but it's a European language already for long time!)

Valēte - be fine

Ūnus ē Latīnīs novīs (talk) 21:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

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What about the Cornish language? I think the only speakers remaining are those who have learnt it as a second language. Epa101 (talk) 16:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Not according to the article about Cornish. Some children have been brought up bilingual in Cornish and English. I wouldn't call Cornish a dead language at all. - That guy without a user account —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.112.66.27 (talk) 14:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with the inclusion of Cornish. In addition to the above comment I would add that at least some traditional Cornish was spoken well into the 20th century and by that time people were already re-learning it from texts and surviving spoken fragments. Bodrugan (talk) 19:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Surely Manx should be added to the list of dead British languages? It is said by many sources to have died out in the 1960's, the last speaker being a man named Edward Maddrell. Cornish is not a true living language as it was spoken last in the 18th century, a woman named Dolly Pentreath being widely stated to be the last speaker. The fact that it has been revived in the late 20th century from a few, mainly religious, texts, and from surviving words in Cornish English and with the many gaps filled in using Welsh & Breton does not deny its earlier extinction. Barney Bruchstein (talk) 13:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Romani Language

The Romani Language is listed, but it is still alive and well with several million speakers according to its article. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.129.30.206 (talk) 09:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Manx

I have removed this from the list. It is certainly not extinct. It may have died in the past as a result of the last native speaker (Madrell) dying but it is now an active language, used as a second language and as a native language by those attending the island's Manx language primary school.--ЗAНИA ^{talk WB talk}] 00:32, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Descendants

Many languages on this list have descendants

• Latin
• British
• Anglo-Norman
• Classical Arabic
• ET CETERA

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British is not a language. Perhaps you meant the Brythonic language?

I agree that Anglo-Norman has a modern descendant, or, to be more correct, it simply evolved into Modern English. Therefore, Anglo-Norman is not extinct and should not be listed in the article. I have to say, if a language has evolved into a modern version, it is not an extinct language. Whatever authority it is which decides if languages are extinct or not, has no common sense whatsoever. And, I find it odd that Anglo-Norman is considered to be extinct but not Anglo-Saxon, which is known to be the predecessor of the Anglo side of Anglo-Norman.

Thibeinn (talk) 21:54, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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Disagree with the concept

I disagree with the concept of extinct language. I would iclude also languages who aren't spoken but have spoken descendants, like Old Norse, Latin, Anglo-Saxon, Galician-Portuguese, Old Frisian... 12qwas (talk) 21:39, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Exactly! In the list, there should only be languages of which language death occured, not just older forms of a living language! Stages of languages are nothing natural, just categories defined by linguists. Languages change permanetly. It's not the case that a form of a language suddenly dies out and than in the next moment is replaced by a later stage. "Extinct language" only makes sense when language death occurs, not when a language changes slowly over time! 2A02:8071:B81:DA80:6CEA:CDC5:8E06:76D0 (talk) 14:05, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Punic

I am aware that recently a lot of languages have been removed from this article. Although I do agree with their removal and say that I shouldn't have added them, Punic is a different case. The Punic language is listed as an extinct language of Europe and it is clear that Punic was used in Malta, Sicily, Sardinia and the Balearics. Furthermore, the argument for its removal is "Diverged from its parent language in North Africa not in Europe". Now, I don't get why its divergence from Phoenician is important since this article also includes dialects, but any of them would be good to be added back onto the article. Thank You. Spino-Soar-Us (talk) 11:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)