Talk:List of efforts to impeach presidents of the United States/Archive 1

Archive 1

Standardization of Terminology for Presidents

For the sake of compromise, I have gone through and included the full title and name of each president at first mention within a section, and then last name only thereafter within a section.

This should be acceptable to all involved.

Do not let hatred of PRESIDENT Trump destroy all pretense of neutrality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8280:58F0:2930:37E5:C52F:9D45 (talk) 10:50, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

What hatred? This is a page about U.S. presidents–those who were impeached, were subject to an impeachment process which did not result in impeachment, etc. It's redundant to say that the three presidents who were impeached are President A, President B, and President C. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 18:25, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Various editors have removed the title of "PRESIDENT" before "Trump."

Considering he is in fact still the current PRESIDENT, and I went through and standardized all references to all presidents, and yet "PRESIDENT" was STILL removed from Trump, there is no other explanation than hatred of Trump.

Copy edit and refimprove tags.

I tried to improve this article somewhat, but it's really in a poor state at the moment.

Very poor grammar, punctuation, layout, and sourcing.

In need of serious attention and improvement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8280:58F0:650B:630C:42C9:2EC3 (talk) 09:19, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

yeah, I was thinking of just transferring the president's section from Impeachment of Federal officials, but things got in the way. Also, several presidents have been the target of "impeachers" several times. Andrew Johnson was targeted twice prior to actually getting impeached. The first two are and should be in separate sections than the one that came within a vote of kicking him out of office. Trump was subject to something like six or seven votes on the House floor before finally getting impeached. So remember thatArglebargle79 (talk) 13:34, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

I've also taken a shot at fixing up grammar and removing some editorialization, but it definitely still needs work. I might come back and fix up all the sourcing later. <RetroCraft314 /> 02:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Truman's middle initial - with or without period

Mr. Truman apparently initiated the "period" controversy in 1962 when, perhaps in jest, he told newspapermen that the period should be omitted. (Source) Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 18:35, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Irrelevant.

His own article uses the period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8280:58F0:69C1:4F63:B199:C7EB (talk) 08:00, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

The quote and the source actually support your version. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 14:42, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Serial comma (Oxford comma)

2601:600:8280:58F0:69C1:4F63:B199:C7EB – Separated only by a common language, although not in this case. The serial comma before a conjuction in a list of three or more items is as American as apple pie, per Chicago Manual of Style, APA Style Guide (A comma should be included before the conjunction in lists (e.g., red, white, and blue; Don, Smith, & Jenkins, 2008), and Wikipedia (MOS:SERIAL). If you prefer to not use it like the AP, fine with me as long as the meaning of the sentence is unambiguous, but don't give me the "un-American" sh*t. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 14:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

And I see you have reverted yourself. So, trolling? Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 14:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Ah, cute, you reverted yourself in the body of the article, but not the lead. I just did it for you, for consistency. You're welcome. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 14:57, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

PRESIDENT Trump is not "pending" trial in the Senate, as of this moment.

I will keep reverting this every time I see it. The articles of impeachment must be presented to the Senate for a trial to take place, or even to be considered "pending."

As of now, the House has NOT presented the articles to the Senate, thus no trial is scheduled to occur, or "pending." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8280:58F0:2930:37E5:C52F:9D45 (talk) 09:04, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

He has been impeached, per the vast majority of RS based on the vast majority of scholars of constitutional law. As for pending: This is not a criminal procedure in a court of law. "Pending" simply means "about to happen or waiting to happen"–nothing more, nothing less. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 18:02, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

WRONG. The House has voted to impeach Trump, but no trial is PENDING in the Senate. The articles of impeachment must be submitted to the Senate for a trial to be PENDING. See citation I provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8280:58F0:69C1:4F63:B199:C7EB (talk) 07:47, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

If by citation I provided you mean the Bloomberg article, I suggest that you read it more closely than you appear to have done. The article merely says that Trump's lawyers are exploring whether … temporarily withold[ing] articles of impeachment from the Senate could mean that the president hasn't actually been impeached. Harvard law professor Feldman is quoted as saying that the Constitution doesn't specify how quickly the articles must be sent to the Senate and that An indefinite delay would pose a serious problem. Harvard constitutional law professor Tribe tweeted in response that Senate rules requiring the House to immediately present articles of impeachment would also be unconstitutional and that It's up to the House when and how to prosecute its case in the Senate–again according to your source. It's only been a few days since the impeachment, and Congress is adjourned until early January, representatives and senators presumably facing their constituents. I can live with your latest version "has not yet stood trial."Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 14:42, 24 December 2019 (UTC) Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 18:53, 24 December 2019 (UTC) Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 18:55, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

2601:600:8280:58f0:8ceb:a6ad:2313:3fd4 is now going through and editing in a WH talking point. Trump has been impeached. It is not pending. Adding this fringe talking point needs to stop. Redsxfenway (talk) 02:08, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

The Clinton Abkasia stamp

Please don't replace it. As they say, "a picture is worth a thousand words" and this explains everything about the scandal. Arglebargle79 (talk) 11:56, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Tyler precedent and Andrew Johnson trial

The vice president becoming president (leaving the vice presidency vacant) when the president leaves office (death, resignation, or removal) was precedent set by John Tyler when he took office upon W. H. Harrison death. It made it into written law when the filling of (between-inauguration) vice presidential vacancy was provided for by amendment.

In the meantime, President Andrew Johnson was impeached and went to Senate trial. This was during Lincoln's unexpired term, so the next in line of succession per then-current law was Ben Wade, the Senate president pro tem. The procedure for a Senate trial of the President was followed; i.e., Salmon Chase, the Chief Justice, presided. Presumably Wade would have been the usual presiding officer in the Senate, and it was bad enough that he was among the Senators at that trial.( Nowadays, the Speaker of the House is ahead of the Senate president pro tem in line of succession.) Carlm0404 (talk) 20:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

List of impeachment efforts for presidents of the United States

Renamed to match other lists in Category:United States presidential history.

Also, this list has been expanded to include every effort, no matter how inconsequential. Therefore, impeachments without qualifier was not accurate. Impeachment does not occur by discussions, mere filing, or a press release.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:50, 5 February 2021 (UTC)