Talk:List of countries with universal health care/Archive 1

Relocated content

I have relocated the international content from the article Socialized medicine (which is now focused more tightly on American political discourse) to the sections here on Australia, Cuba, China, Finland, Israel and Russia. The additional material needs integrating into the relevant individual sections here. That is, each of the expanded individual countries' content needs to be checked for coherence and to remove any repetition. There was also quite a lot of material about the UK that was taken from Socialized medicine and because the UK section here is already big, I placed the extra content on the Talk page of Healthcare in the United Kingdom, from where it needs to be moved into the best place among a number of articles about healthcare in that country. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 02:14, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

UHC Map

Moved to commons:File_talk:Universal_health_care.svg#Map_based_on_unreliable_ILO_source

 – Discussion on the UHC map is moved here. Please continue this discussion there. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 20:30, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Armenia and Azerbaijan

It is widely known and reported over the net that neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan provide universal health care per guidelines on this article. Read these independent sources about Azerbaijan's health status, about how the Ministry of Health faked reports on the mortality rate and bribes to medical physicians, written by the USAID and a report by the Institute for War & Peace Reporting here: http://www.bu.edu/actforhealth/actforhealth04/AZHealthReport.pdf and http://iwpr.net/report-news/health-insurance-plan-stalls-azerbaijan. Armenia's health care's status is widely found over the net, and the health situation is similar: http://www.euro.who.int/en/what-we-do/health-topics/Health-systems/health-systems-financing/country-work/armenia. --Vitilsky (talk) 19:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

"Genel Sağlık Sigortası" in Turkey

Turkey has also Universal health coverage which is called "Genel sağlık sigortası" in there.

Sources:

1. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2813%2961051-X/abstract
2. http://blogs.worldbank.org/health/universal-health-coverage-turkey-pearls-emerging-pressures-ambitious-reforms
3. http://kalkan.turkishlocalnews.com/portal/component/content/article/145-medical-services/279210-sgk-universal-health-insurance-uhi?directory=53
4. http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/2013/01/17210178/toward-universal-coverage-turkeys-green-card-program-poor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.123.224.180 (talk) 15:46, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Inaccurate GESS and ISSA website trivia in lede

I removed the following addition of inaccurate GESS and ISSA website trivia to the lede:

• 10:42, 2 December 2013 Emily G. Miller (talk | contribs):

  Developments in Universal Health Coverage can be tracked using the ILO's Global Extension of Social Security (GESS) website as well as the International Social Security Association website. However, universal coverage must be measured not only in terms of legislation but also in terms of access. According to the ILO's World Social Security Report (2010/11) "In order to achieve the objectives of social health protection, legal universal coverage needs to lead to effective access to health services," as in some countries all people may be covered by law but "in reality they do not have such access when they need it."
  
  Thus, measuring Universal Health Coverage requires not only measuring legislation but also several factors which indicate effective access, including formal health coverage, maternal mortality ratio, out of pocket expenditure, relative deficit in health spending, and percentage of population not covered due to health professional staff deficit.

Universal health coverage cannot be tracked using the ILO's Global Extension of Social Security (GESS) website or the International Social Security Association (ISSA) website.
The ILO's error-filled World Social Security Report (2010/11)—which says the United States has universal 100% health insurance coverage—is not a WP:Reliable source.
Trivia does not belong in the lede of a Wikipedia article. Apatens (talk) 14:34, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

What about Turkey ?

I lived in Turkey and they also have a Universal Health Care system which is not as good and as well funded as in Europe but still everyone can have an access. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.110.186 (talk) 18:03, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Now?

The date for the list of countries with coverage is 2009. Is there a source for more recent information? Things may have changed since then. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 20:40, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Map

The map seems inaccurate/outdated. For example, it shows Malaysia not having a universal healthcare system, and then the article states it does. Someone needs to make a new one, and hopefully include countries in the process of implementing universal healthcare (such as Indonesia, which is currently creating the largest single-payer healthcare system in the world).--RM (Be my friend) 11:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. I seems to me that both China and Mexico need to be added to the map, as well as North Korea. Kazakhstan and Iran may need to be added soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.222.242.69 (talk) 15:44, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I made a new map

World map of universal health care from the list on wikipedia (english)

Mirarkitty (talk) 08:45, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Mapchart.net source if anyone needs to update it: {"groups":{"#33a02c":{"div":"#box0","label":"Free and Universal Health Care","paths":["Albania","Algeria","Andorra","Antigua and Barbuda","Argentina","Australia","Austria","Bahamas","Bahrain","Barbados","Belarus","Belgium","Bhutan","Bolivia","Bosnia and Herzegovina","Botswana","Brazil","Brunei Darussalam","Bulgaria","Burkina Faso","Canada","Chile","China","Colombia","Cook Islands","Costa Rica","Croatia","Cuba","Cyprus","Czech Republic","Denmark","Ecuador","Eritrea","Estonia","Fiji","Finland","France","Gabon","Georgia","Germany","Greece","Guernsey","Guyana","Hong Kong","Hungary","Iceland","Iran","Ireland","Isle of Man","Israel","Italy","Jamaica","Japan","Jersey","Kazakhstan","Kiribati","Kuwait","Latvia","Liechtenstein","Lithuania","Luxembourg","Macau","Macedonia","Malaysia","Maldives","Malta","Mauritius","Mexico","Moldova","Monaco","Montenegro","Namibia","Nauru","Netherlands","New Zealand","Niue","North Korea","Norway","Oman","Pakistan","Palau","Panama","Paraguay","Peru","Poland","Portugal","Qatar","Romania","Russia","Rwanda","Saint Lucia","Saint Vincent and the Grenadines","Samoa","San Marino","Saudi Arabia","Serbia","Seychelles","Singapore","Slovakia","Slovenia","South Korea","Spain","Sri Lanka","Sweden","Switzerland","Taiwan","Thailand","Timor-Leste","Tonga","Trinidad and Tobago","Tunisia","Turkey","Tuvalu","Ukraine","United Arab Emirates","United Kingdom","Uruguay","Uzbekistan","Vanuatu","Venezuela","Zambia","Saudi_Arabia","Czechia","New_Zealand","Greenland","United_Kingdom","Burkina_Faso","South_Korea","North_Korea","Sri_Lanka"]},"#50ff50":{"div":"#box1","label":"Universal Health Care","paths":["Belize","Ghana"]},"#2b8cbe":{"div":"#box2","label":"Free but not Universal","paths":["Armenia","Azerbaijan","Bangladesh","Benin","Cabo Verde","Central African Republic","Congo","Cote d Ivoire","DR Congo","Djibouti","Egypt","El Salvador","Equatorial Guinea","Ethiopia","Guatemala","Honduras","India","Kyrgyzstan","Laos","Lesotho","Libya","Madagascar","Malawi","Mongolia","Morocco","Myanmar","Nepal","Nicaragua","Papua New Guinea","Philippines","Solomon Islands","South Africa","Swaziland","São Tomé and Príncipe","Tanzania","Togo","Uganda","Viet Nam","Yemen","South_Africa","Papua_New_Guinea","French_Guiana","DR_Congo","Central_African_Republic","Cote_d_Ivoire","Vietnam"]},"#e41a1c":{"div":"#box3","label":"No free or universal healthcare","paths":["Afghanistan","Angola","Burundi","Cambodia","Cameroon","Chad","Comoros","Dominica","Dominican Republic","Gambia","Grenada","Guinea","Guinea-Bissau","Haiti","Indonesia","Iraq","Jordan","Kenya","Lebanon","Liberia","Mali","Marshall Islands","Mauritania","Micronesia","Mozambique","Niger","Nigeria","Saint Kitts and Nevis","Senegal","Sierra Leone","Somalia","South Sudan","Sudan","Suriname","Syria","Tajikistan","Turkmenistan","United States","Zimbabwe","South_Sudan","Sierra_Leone","United_States"]}},"title":"","hidden":[],"borders":"#000000"} Mirarkitty (talk) 08:49, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Israel

In Israel you have to pay an amount of about $40 each month to have medical insurance. Otherwise you are not eligible and have to pay for medical services in cache. Also, specialist doctors are not free even if under insurance. Hospitalization is covered, but to go to the hospital you typically need a recommendation from a paid specialist. Prescription medicines are paid. Also, ambulance is paid and very expensive even for the insured.--Reciprocist (talk) 09:29, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Indonesia

As of at least 2014, Indonesia has a universal health care program (or at least a program aiming for universal healthcare) with the launch of a compulsory national health insurance. List and graph needs updating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Septmars (talk • contribs) 07:54, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

But in the map in this article, Indonesia is shown as one of the countries without universal healthcare.

Jarble (talk) 16:32, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Problematic Map

The map doesn't explain the difference between 'free and universal', 'universal but not free' and 'free but not universal'. In the article it says nothing about South Africa except that the health system is bad. About Egypt it says that hospitals are provided for anyone who needs them, which sounds like free and universal, but on the map its listed as free but not universal, and the DRC for example is on the map as free but not universal, but not listed in the article at all, there are many countries like this. This map should probably be removed until a good source can be found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.166.140.150 (talk) 08:58, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the anon. If the map's label categories aren't explained in the article, then it's the wrong map for this article. I will look for a better option to replace it. - Frankie1969 (talk) 22:54, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Germany is ot universal

Text says Germany is not free universal. but paid for 10% of population. So why it is not blue color on the map? Qualitas (talk) 05:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

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Reccomendation to add California and Maryland to list?

I think we should add California and Maryland to the list of places with universal healthcare, California and Maryland are both universal but not free. Also, Switzerland is universal but not free and so is Singapore. Pogchampange (talk) 08:50, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

No. This is a list of countries with universal health care. Sub-units of countries don’t qualify. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:22, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

We generally make exception for US states when it comes to min wage laws and other things

Why not do it with universal healthcare? Pogchampange (talk) 20:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Because this page is about countries. Is there a page about minimum wage laws in countries that breaks it down by US state? Plus, the definition of universal health care used in this page is by country; namely, does the country as a whole provide universal health care? For example, in a federation like Canada, there is universal health care; all Canadians are covered, regardless which province they live in, or which province they move to. That's the concept of universal health care being used in this article. Two states providing it, without portability to other parts of the country, is not universal health care in that country. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:29, 1 July 2022 (UTC)