Talk:List of WWE Tag Team Champions

Kofi

Kofi is currently listed as champion as well, https://www.wwe.com/superstars/kofi-kingston Muur (talk) 10:14, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Interesting. The official title history, however, still does not include him. --JDC808 ♫ 10:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Odd, they dont even list WWE championship. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 13:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

It only says "the new day" though. Not woods and Xavier. Just the new day. Muur (talk) 17:15, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Thats all it says in the history as well, but they recognized all 3, and previously all 3 were pictures, not this time. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 17:35, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

What Galatz said. The history doesn't state all three, but in the past, they would show all three. Right now, it's only showing Big E and Xavier Woods. Perhaps it's a mistake that Kofi isn't included there, or perhaps it's a mistake that they listed it on his profile page. Maybe we'll get the answer tonight on SmackDown. --JDC808 ♫ 23:13, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Last night they made it pretty clear that Kofi is not a tag team champion. They might retroactively change their recognition if Kofi loses the WWE Championship, but only time will tell. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 13:09, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

When WWE has a double champion they merge the pictures together like how they did with becky but you cant merge a singles title with the Tag titles like that doesnt mean hes not the SD tag champion since it shows him being it and WWE had to purposely put that there. OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 02:09, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

They could, but they chose not to. Like Galatz said, this week's SmackDown indicated that Kofi is not recognized as champion. --JDC808 ♫ 03:22, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

They confirmed he is both Tag champ and wwe champion in their latest video of what records hes broken as they say hes a 9 time champion 4 raw 4 smackdown 1 world tag OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

WWE's YouTube videos have historically not followed story lines and have multiple times over gone against WWE's official stance. We do not use them as sources. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 15:25, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Haven't seen the video yet, but it's usually the backstage type of interviews that are in contradiction to WWE's official stance. Other videos, like ones that show records, are typically the company's official stance. Again, haven't seen this video, so not sure which this is. --JDC808 ♫ 22:40, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Its not even like thats the only piece of evidence as they literally show him as champion on his page a wwe video on wwe is more credible than you saying they arent champions. You literally said the title history page says he isnt mentioned when you look at his championship on his page it says SD tag team. You’re putting misinformation again and again when you keep putting its only woods and big e when they represent the new day OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 15:44, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

On SmackDown they said Big E and Woods are Tag Champions, and Kofi is WWE Champion. What WWE says takes president over the videos on YouTube. Plain and simple. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 15:56, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Its not just on youtube its on wwe.com and they said big e won the tag team championship not that they’re only the tag team champions. WWE said themselves hes 9 time therefore he is 9 time. OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 15:58, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

If wwe says hes champion he’s champion thats the end of story. They never said woods and e didn’t represent the new day or he wasnt tag team champion with them until then it should be changed every championship theyve had it was under freebird rule thats a precedent. Therefore until they say otherwise the precedent should be uplifted OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 16:02, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Provide the source instead of constantly reverting. --JDC808 ♫ 22:40, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

I can't think of any examples where we go based solely on these videos. Charlotte saying she was grand slam champion we didn't use. Entrants into women's royal rumble we didn't. They said on SmackDown that Woods and Big E were tag team champions, and Kofi is not on the tag team championship page. Those two things easily trump the other stuff mentioned. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 12:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

24/7 championship is an example. As well as WWE literally putting on THEIR website saying hes a 9 time tag team champion and Kofi profile literally having the smackdown tag team championship listed. Charlotte saying she was a grandslam champion was HER saying it. Everytime the new day is introduced its as “representing the new day” therefore theyre representing as wwe or sd tag team champions, WWE Cant merge Kofis profile and the Smackdown tag titles cause Woods and E arent the Wwe champion. They didn’t specifically say Kofi wasnt the SD Tag champion until then your arguement is based on no substantial evidence therefore we are going by the sufficent evidence and precedent. OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 19:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure WWE has people smart enough that they could easily list both titles on Kofi's profile. --JDC808 ♫ 23:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Listen Galatz I have proven you wrong very convincingly you need to stop vandalizing the page cause WWE themselves have said he was a 9 time champion its not like its some jabroni on youtube who isn’t affiliated theres been multiple source and arguments disproving it. Stop being childish and reverting it cause you think youre right. Like there hasnt been anytime in the titles history where the new day hasnt all held the title and theres no arguement youve said thatd suggest otherwise OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 21:03, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

On that same website though, if we look at the Hall of SmackDown Tag Team Champions photo gallery, only Big E and Xavier Woods are pictured, no Kofi Kingston. --JDC808 ♫ 23:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

That photo was taken after the match most likely while kofi was performing. OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 23:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@OhNoWaterSheep: You have not proven anything. Kofi and Tom Phillips both referred to only Big E and Woods as the champions. So that is clearly the WWE view. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 13:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Oh i havent? Multiple sources but okay Kofi literally said “lets talk about your victory defeating daniel bryan and rowan to become 6 time wwe world tag team champions” that doesnt imply only they are champions or it isnt under freebird rule. If we are really being technical that means half of woods run shouldnt be accounted for because he just stood on the outside for like a year. Which is even more evidence to suggest just because Kofi is caught up in WWE Championship feuds doesnt mean he isnt tag champion. Cause if soon as someone is injured he has to do double duty. Clearly WWE View is 9 time champion cause Kofi will be using the titantron that says 6 time word tag team champions, he has the smackdown title on his profile, there are wwe produce videos in which vince has to sign off on what they say that includes 9 time champion. But i mean thats nothing huh @Galatz OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 16:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@OhNoWaterSheep: Correct, you have not. Before the Royal Rumble last year, WWE.com posted videos interviewing girls about how they felt to be in the first women's RR match. The following week on Raw they said that no women had yet been told if they were in the match or not. I see that as no different than this, videos they post do not always follow along with reality. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 17:37, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Im pretty sure they were reacting to the news of it but heres a counter arguement im pretty sure wwe said in a video Bayley was first womens triple crown winner and just by that video and the original precedent they made a triple crown section for women and put her in it. So really you cant pick and choose what you want to leave and what you want to keep. There have been many instances that WWE have went along with the videos and when they havent. And then when you have something backing up the videos claim as the wwe staff putting Smackdown tag title on Kofis profile that would mean hes tag champion. Regardless if he fights for it at the moment or not is a completely different story cause woods didnt fight for the title that much but he was considered champion. OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 19:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

So, where is this video? You have yet to provide it for us to determine if it is a backstage type of interview, or one that has statistics that WWE actually recognizes. For Bayley, no, that was not the case. It was posted in multiple places by WWE. --JDC808 ♫ 22:51, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

https://www.wwe.com/videos/4-records-set-by-kofi-kingston-wwe-list-this And thats incorrect cause bayley is was published as grand slam champion in multiple places only recognition that her being a triple crown is a wwe now on youtube and wwe.com OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 18:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

The WWE has now removed the Tag Team Championships from Kofi's page. A pretty clear message - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 15:43, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

This is so confusing. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 16:19, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

are you saying your word trumps wwe word? Wow thats nice didnt know you were Mr. McMahon. A “pretty clear message” also isnt really that clear of a message when wwe championship is ranked higher than smackdown tag titles so the link would be changed eventually from smackdown tag to wwe so people could learn the lineage if needed due to the 2 other members representing the team in the tag division has the links under theirs . WWE said hes tag champ 9 time therefore he is case closed. Stop being childish that you have no sufficient evidence and you’ve proven nothing while ive proven you wrong on every claim and you just refuse to accept it. At this point you’re reaching. its really sad and pathetic man. OhNoWaterSheep (talk) 19:18, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Here is a reference from WWE.com where they detail all of Kofi's records, including specifically pointing out the Extreme Rules win as part of Kofi's 9 Tag Team Titles (6 with New Day). I think this should make it clear that WWE does recognize Kofi as part of the championship team. As long as WWE says it clear and it can be pointed to - like with my reference - than any argument of "Well it says so here but not there" is really moot because there's documented proof that WWE does indeed say it. Vjmlhds (talk) 21:14, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

That's the exact same source that OhNoWaterSheep provided, but there are more sources here that do not include Kofi in the recognition (the official tag team title history does not include him, their hall of champions photo gallery does not include him, they have yet to acknowledge it on TV). It's a confusing situation as all of these sources are from WWE. Do we go by their singular source that includes him, or do we go by their multiple sources that do not? --JDC808 ♫ 21:26, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

JDC808 As long as WWE does give him credit for the reign - which they clearly do in the video - then he should count. Truthfully, all the other things you mentioned could just be as simple as sloppy housekeeping. Remember this...WWE has never stated in any other reference that Kofi was NOT a tag team champion...we only inferred it through omittance. But we do have a WWE source that clearly DOES give him credit. That's the difference - the one source makes it a clear "yes", while the others were ASSUMED to be no via guesswork. Vjmlhds (talk) 21:47, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

The thing is though, WWE have historically had videos posted to their website and YouTube that have said one thing but was not recognized as canon. This video, it's hard to tell if that is the case as it's more official than their backstage interviews, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's accurate. In all previous tag team title reigns on the official history and their photo gallery, Kofi was included. This time he has been omitted. --JDC808 ♫ 03:54, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

JDC808 For what it's worth, ESPN in their bio of Kofi also gives him credit as a 4-time SD Tag Team Champion They are a reliable source, and ESPN and WWE work together, so I think this gives my case credibility. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:12, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

ESPN, though a reliable source, is meaningless if WWE doesn't recognize him as champion. --JDC808 ♫ 09:02, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

I think people are confusing tag teams with stables. When in a tag team, all members hold tag belts using the freebird rule. Stables can have multiple champions in the group without sharing titles like The O.C. which is a stable, Gallows & Anderson are tag champs, AJ isn't recognized because The O.C. isn't a tag team, it's a stable. New Day are a tag team with 3 members who've always held tag belts together, even though only two compete at a time. So while their fourth reign is being represented by E and Woods, but if one of them were to get injured, Kofi would do double duty. Kofi wasn't pictured in their championship photo most likely because he was performing at the time the photo was taken. Just because Kofi is the WWE champ shouldn't mean the freebird rule shouldn't be applied, especially if they've always applied it to New Day. Dakota.952 (talk) 05:50, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

That's not how that works. Only two members of a team are recognized UNLESS the freebird rule is applied. Also, a stable is a team of three or more wrestlers, so yes, New Day are a stable. And although all three members of New Day were recognized as champion in their past reigns, let's take a look at a similar situation: The Undisputed Era and the NXT Tag Team Championship. For their first reign, all four members were recognized as champion, but for their second reign, only Roderick Strong and Kyle O'Reilly were recognized. --JDC808 ♫ 09:02, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

same fot the shield. the champions were rollins and reigns without ambrose. at the end, it the boomer who decides if a stable uses the freeburd rule.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:34, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

I made a compromise edit, which doesn't flat out declare Kofi as champion, but also acknowledges the ambiguity and doesn't completely disregard him either. World ain't always black and white - sometimes there's some grey. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:37, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

My most recent change was done primary for cosmetic reasons. It still reflects the ambiguity, but in a (hopefully) nicer and neater fashion. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:19, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

You argument is one of the worst arguments ever. I also do not have a source that says you aren't a champion. I dont have one that says I am not. Please go ahead and add us in that says we are. If you follow the chain, they originally credited Kofi's profile with it and then removed it, a clear message that they do not consider him. Kofi has flat out said on SmackDown more than once the they are the SmackDown champions, not we are. Look at the backstage segment from Gorilla from last week. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 13:18, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Galatz For someone who always harps on me about sources, you are sure doing a 180 when it suits your argument. I provided 2 sources (1 primary, 1 secondary, both reliable) that say clearly and with no ambiguity, that Kofi DOES count as a champion. You are trying to cobble together clues like Scooby Doo and the gang to "solve the mystery" ("Well they didn't put Kofi's picture in this spot, so that must mean...") Seriously, if the situations were reversed, and I tried to play the "follow the chain" game and disregarded clear sources, you would be issuing an ANI on me. Vjmlhds (talk) 13:53, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Not at all. If I were to tell you to find a source that tells me specifically that Virgil was not the champion, you couldn't, because people don't write articles about what doesn't happen. [1] specifically shows that Big E and Woods are the champions. [2] Only says he is the WWE Champion, not tag team champion. If you look at this source [3] it refers to Woods and Big E as the champions. You want to talk about videos, in this one [4] they say Kofi is the WWE champion while they are the tag team champions. Each of the last three weeks on air Kofi has not been referred to as a tag team champion but the others specifically have. All of these are WWE.com sources, what makes your one WWE.com source better than all of these? WP:RS AGE shows why all of these supersede the one older source. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 14:31, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

2 things - first, I made sure to put an asterisk by Kofi to acknowledge the fact the the water is a bit muddy. If I didn't have my 2 sources, you would have more of a point, but this really is a case where both sides have a case, so the only fair thing to do is acknowledge them. Secondly, it's a case of what is a better source - one that flat out says "X is Y" or one where you have to "read the tea leaves"? When you get right down to it, I would bet this is simply a case of sloppy housekeeping on WWE's part rather than a clear declaration of Kofi isn't a champion. Simple logic - why would WWE go through the trouble of producing a video clearly detailing all of Kofi's tag title reigns (right down to the number of days he's held the title) if they didn't want to give him a credit as a champion? Sometimes people make things more complicated than what it needs to be. With all the sources you mentioned, I can argue that WWE simply doesn't want to go through a big word salad every time New Day comes out. A case can be made that WWE's "List This" Kofi video is their way of saying "Yes, we do count Kofi as a Tag Team Champion, even though we might not mention it every single time he comes out". Vjmlhds (talk) 15:36, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Sure once maybe twice yo could say they just didn't mention it. But now we are at 7 different instances I have given you, and none since your 1 says he is. The WWE produces tons of content that does not and even contradicts what happened on TV. Its just something that happens when they produce so much content, and this is a constant issue where their videos do not follow anything else in the WWE world. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 15:59, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

And when all was said and done, they counted it anyway - making all of this a moot point. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:17, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Xavier Woods

I know New Day usually uses the freebird rule, but Woods is injured so does it really still count? WWE doesn't have Woods listed as champion on their website, so should we really consider Woods champion? Dakota.952 (talk) 20:30, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

There's a discussion on this very topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling#Xavier Woods. --JDC808 ♫ 08:18, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

WWE does not count Kofi for New Day's 6th reign

https://twitter.com/wwe/status/1201909116916183043 WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 23:06, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

That means we have conflicting sources from WWE, as when he was WWE Champion, there was a video put out of all of Kofi's records (at the time) which did recognize what would have been New Day's 4th reign with the SD tag titles (and 6th overall) --JDC808 ♫ 04:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

That was the ONLY time/place the WWE mentioned it. It was not on his profile and at the time the tag team page did not include him. Its clear that that video was wrong - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 14:43, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

And according to this article (https://www.wwe.com/article/kofi-kingston-surpasses-1000-days-tag-team-champion), it’s also clear they don’t count the summer 2019 reign as part of Kofi’s reigns. And realistically they shouldn’t. He never once defended the belt with either Big E or Woods. Although this article also says that he is only a 7 time tag champion instead of 9. OldSkool01 (talk) 17:22, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

How about we just ask the dude who wrote the article? https://twitter.com/itsmeitstonybWrestlingLegendAS (talk) 00:58, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

It's a weird situation. The article says: seven time champion. However, he won the RAW title 4 times (Bourne, Rtruth and New Day 2), the SD title min. 4 times (with new day) So, he is a eight time champion. If he was recognized as champion during his time as WWE Champion, he is a nine times champion. Also, don't forget his reign with Punk as World Tag Champion... I mean, even if his reigns with Punk and the New Day as WWE Champion doesn't count, he is 8 times champion, not 7. Maybe, we should ask to the writer.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:51, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Some math. Time as RAW champion, 818. SD, 134. World, 47 = 999 days... --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:54, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

@WrestlingLegendAS: Thats WP:OR - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 13:15, 5 December 2019‎ (UTC)

The article was written on December 4, 2019, so that’s the date the writer went by to hit 1,000. And there’s only one way he got there, by adding up all of Kofi’s actual days as Tag Team champion, not the days that WWE.com counts. Because as we all know, WWE.com simply has trouble counting. We’ve seen plenty of examples of title reigns that begin on a Monday and end the following Monday, only to be counted as an 8 day reign instead of the accurate 7. So here’s how the writer got to 1,000 days on December 4th. Break out your calculators:

• World Tag Title w/ Punk: 47 days
• WWE/Raw Tag Title w/ Bourne: 146 days
• WWE/Raw Tag Title w/ Truth: 139 days
• WWE/Raw Tag Title w/ New Day 1: 49 days
• WWE/Raw Tag Title w/ New Day 2: 483 days
• SmackDown Tag Title w/ New Day 1: 28 days
• SmackDown Tag Title w/ New Day 2: 26 days
• SmackDown Tag Title w/ New Day 3: 56 days
• SmackDown Tag Title w/ Big E: 26 days (as of December 4th)

And that’s how he got to 1,000. The Big E/Woods reign in the summer of 2019 was 63 days and doesn’t fit to get to 1,000. As for why the writer wrote 7 time champion instead of 9, like I mentioned earlier, these WWE.com writers aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed. There’s a constant lack of consistency across the board on that site. OldSkool01 (talk) 14:12, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree and if you read the thread up above there were tons of sources provided, all of which did not count Kofi during the summer. Its very clear he was not counted. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 14:32, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

And to show further inconsistencies, tonight on SmackDown Michael Cole said Kofi has been a Tag Team Champion for 1,003 days. Even though it should realistically be 1,002. WWE simply is horrible at math. Remember when they kept saying WrestleMania 25 was the 25th anniversary instead of the 24th? It’s one thing to be off by a day or two, but they were off by a whole year. OldSkool01 (talk) 02:28, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Would actually be the other way, 1,004 days, as the article says "as of Monday" Kofi surpassed 1,000 days (you went off the date the article was posted, which was Wednesday). But actually, it would be 1,005 days (as of yesterday) as surpass means to exceed, so Monday would have to have been day 1,001. --JDC808 ♫ 11:46, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

No matter what, they’re still off. Which is why I can’t stand the lack of continuity on their site. It’s like they don’t care. Their bad math is one of the reasons we have an additional column on championship tables called “Days Recognized”. That sad thing is in a few months they’ll probably make a new article where they retroactively count Kofi as part of the summer 2019 New Day reign again. They re-write history on a whim. OldSkool01 (talk) 06:06, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

And at the end of the day, they counted it anyway...shows you what we know. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:15, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

So? WWE was the one who gave bad information. Some times they recognized Woods or Kofi and champions, in another article they didn't. So, we report that. At one point, WWE didn't recognized Woods reigns, even if the wrestler claimed. If WWE decides to recognized Ted DiBiase's reigns as World Champion, we will include him. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:52, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Xavier Woods called us out on SmackDown

So I guess that means every New Day member was Champ for every New Day reign?WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 14:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Nope. It doesn't. OldSkool01 (talk) 20:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Why do we assume he was no Champ?WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 00:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

For the legitimate fact that he was injured and absent for the entirety of New Day's 5th reign (as mentioned in the notes), and their 5th reign began after he got injured. --JDC808 ♫ 02:15, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

And he wound up getting credit for it anyway. So when all was said and done, he was right, and we were wrong. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:01, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Where did he get credit for it?WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 18:21, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

You didn't have to go and comment on every thread with practically the same message. --JDC808 ♫ 20:43, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Wasn't trying to be obnoxious or anything, it's just I was getting a chuckle about all the back and forth that went on, only for WWE to come along and stick it in all our ears. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:34, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

To be honest, i prefer in such way. It's easier for us, just everyone the same reigns. We don't do strange thing in the combined reigns table and the good faith vandalism stops. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:06, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

What's happening here is retconning. WWE, after the fact, is retroactively recognizing Kofi as SmackDown Tag Team Champion for the summer 2019 reign when he was the WWE Champion, even though not once on TV during that time was he ever referred to as such and never defended the belts once. Same thing with Woods during the November 2019-February 2020 SmackDown Tag Team Championship reign. Woods was never acknowledged officially by WWE as champion during that time period, and he was out with an injury the entire time and never wrestled once. If WWE wants to retroactively change their history, that's their business, they do it all the time, been doing it forever. But our jobs here should be to tell what really happened and make an asterisk noting how WWE retconned the situation. I don't agree at all with this retcon as it is factually incorrect. I updated the notes next to the New Day's 4th and 5th reigns to correctly explain this. OldSkool01 (talk) 05:50, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Do we know for sure that WWE is counting Kofi and Woods for those reigns? Or is our only source Woods' Instagram video?WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 17:18, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

The actual answer is no, we don’t know for sure. This is all based on one article that WWE.com did last week where they say New Day are 8 time champions. Some people here seem to think that’s all they need to end the debate, but to me, it’s not. WWE.com has been so inconsistent with their articles. OldSkool01 (talk) 19:18, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Mmmm, I think WWE gave inconsistent information about Kofi as WWE Champion adn Tag Champion, but I don't see anywhere Woods as champ during his injury, just him claiming he was champion too, but WWE said not. Anyway, I'm fine with the note. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:43, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

OldSkool01 The WWE.com article you referenced specifically listed all 3 individual members of New Day by name as being 8-time Tag Team Champions - not just a blanket "New Day are 8-time champions". As far as proving whether WWE did not give Kofi or Woods credit for a particular reign, that simply can't be done, as WWE never explicitly said that Kofi/Woods were not champions during any particular reign (that came from inference/assumption on our parts). Basically it's trying to prove a negative, which is possible. It's all a moot point anyway, as WWE did specifically credit all 3 members of New Day by name as being 8X champions. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:34, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Vjmlhds Actually WWE DID say that Kofi and Woods were not champions at the time. During those reigns, WWE.com’s “Superstars” section and the WWE app’s “Champions” section, which includes all the current champions at the moment, did not include Kofi during the summer 2019 reign and did not include Woods during the Nov 19-Feb 20 reign. Both sections now include all 3 members for the current reign, which they did not for the previous 2 reigns. OldSkool01 (talk) 23:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

WWE posted a video with most days as tag team champion, which includes Big E but not Woods. Woods complained. Not our interpetation. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:13, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

HHH Pedrigree I never saw that video until now. Having said that, I guess Woods' complaining worked, because he wound up getting credit at the end of the day anyway. You know the old saying "God giveth, and then He taketh away" - well here it looks like WWE tooketh, and then gaveth back. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes. He complained and he is happy. I'm happy too since the article looks better rather than the 3 reigns, then 4h reigns just two, 5th reign the other two... --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:50, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Combined reigns by team: "New Day" vs "Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods"

Why is the current New Day title reign separated from the overall "New Day" reign and under "Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods"? Shouldn't we just add a note to it saying "The New Day's 7th reign does not include Big E, as he was drafted to Smackdown while Kingston and Woods were drafted to Raw?" The reign is still the under the New Day name and in the "Combined reigns - by wrestler" subsection we have no issue just highlighting Woods and Kingston but not Big E. Doesn't really make sense to me. ColeTrain4EVER (talk) 16:09, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

When I updated the page late Friday evening, I had it that way, and someone(s) have since changed it, though I did start to question it as the official title history lists them as "Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods" instead of The New Day (which is probably why it was changed). Figured this would probably come to a discussion. I'm a little unsure exactly how we should do it. I guess we'll get a better answer after next week. --JDC808 ♫ 07:57, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

IMO, the belts were won by The New Day trio. Big E, Xavier, and Kofi still comprised The New Day. There was no formal separation of the team. Thus, the reign should still be credited as The New Day (despite WWE's inconsistent naming, hell they were referred to as The New Day by the ring announcers and on screen overlay). Even though the trio has been dissolved, the team of Xavier and Kofi still makes up The New Day. retched (talk) 13:45, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

WWE.com still considers Kingston and Woods as The New Day (listed as such now as Raw Tag Team Champions after the belt swap with the Street Profits). Big E does not get credited with a 7th SD Tag Team Championship, as the draft separated him from Kofi and Woods. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:23, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I will concur to this. Big E counts being a Smackdown champion but not a RAW Tag Team Champion in this instance due to the team breakup. retched (talk) 01:58, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks all for the great discussion here. Now I think someone might have to start a similar discussion on the List of WWE Raw Tag Team Champions article since they have two separate New Day entries to. Leave it to WWE to make an already confusing situation more confusing. ColeTrain4EVER (talk) 15:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

WWE just made it worse as on the premiere of Smackdown (10/16/2020), the WWE referred to the trio as "The New Day" but I think the point still stands. The Freebird Rule doesn't apply since they aren't on the same team and Big E does NOT get credited with a new title reign unless he moves over while Kingston and/or Woods are still champions. retched (talk) 00:07, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Dirty Dawgz/Mysterios

Let's hash this out...is it OK to refer to Dolph Ziggler/Robert Roode as the Dirty Dawgs and Rey/Dominik Mysterio as The Mysterios, or are those team names not "official enough"?

WWE.com does use those particular names in various articles, but not in the title history.

My take - as long as WWE.com uses those names on their site (regardless of the particular spot it's used), they should be OK to use here - but another editor thinks we have to go by the strict letter of the law via the WWE.com title history page.

So we have a stalemate, and if some fresh eyes can take a look at this, it would be much appreciated.

Thank you.

Vjmlhds (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

No. The title history says their names are Dolph Ziggler and Robert Roode and Rey and Dominik Mysterio. Other tags (Revival, Street Profits, The Bar) have the name. The articles in wwe.com about their matches ([5] [6]) don't include any name, while other articles include the name of the tag team [7] [8]. Even in the entrance, the announcer presented them as Ziggler and Roode, while the graphics name them Ziggler and Roode. Sometimes, they are called Dirty Dawgs, but enters into the "The Bar territory", where they are known for a nickname. Other examples, The Bar or The Golden Role Models, in the RAW TT Title and Women's TT title. Even for families, WWE is clear when we talk about Los Guerreros or The Colons. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:28, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Use the names as they appear on the official title history (it's called "official" for a reason). A nickname does not equal the official team name. If they're nickname eventually becomes their team name (i.e., The Bar), then it can be listed that way. --JDC808 ♫ 17:14, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

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