Talk:List of LTE networks in Asia/Archive 1

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All content of this article is copied from List of LTE networks regarding to Wikipedia:COPYWITHIN. No content from external sources has been added with this edit. The source http://www.gten-sz.com/news/shownews.php?lang=en&id=29 seems to have copied major content from the wiki article List of LTE networks instead. --> False-positive. Nightwalker-87 (talk) 21:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

• @Nightwalker-87: Thanks for the clarification! Note also under COPYWITHIN that you need to attribute the page copied from. I've done this for this occurrence, so just something to keep in mind for next time. Thanks again! Crow^Caw 01:26, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the note. I'll proceed as you proposed next time. Nightwalker-87 (talk) 10:49, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

List of LTE Networks in Asia, especially Malaysia

I am surprised that some information has been changed and has been since deleted, especially for Malaysia. Some errors noted:

• Digi LTE network for 1800MHz has been known to be operational since May 2015 and not Oct 2015 in some parts of country (sourced from Malaysian Wireless, a local website talking about the Telecommunication Industry in Malaysia).  Not done (see below for details)
• Digi also publicly announced that their LTE-A (up to 150Mbps, via CA) has been operational since Nov 2015 (sourced from Malaysian Wireless, a local website talking about the Telecommunication Industry in Malaysia and Press releases released by Digi).  Done
• According to a press release by Maxis, it has been officially announced running an LTE-A commercial service (up to 225Mbps) since Nov 2015 and it has been rumoured on local forums before Nov 2015 (but since forum sources cannot be used, I used sources from official press release by Maxis).  Not done (see below for details)
• LTE for 2600MHz for Maxis is 20MHz, due to Maxis had signed an infrastructure sharing agreement to provide 4G services in Malaysia with REDtone, another Malaysian telco, according to Maxis press release and some telecommunication websites across the internet (I didn't include it in my sources previously). The infrastructure is operated by Maxis and the spectrum is owned by both Maxis and Redtone, 10MHz each.  Done
• Malaysian regulator only allows 10MHz on 1800MHz LTE as for now (I shown it before from MCMC website) , but it might be changed at the future, due to a spectrum allocation done just very recently by the Malaysian regulator.  Done

Thats all for me. I don't want to change it for now due to these information might be revert by you. Feel free and check the sources on the Internet and the respective websites. Thank you. (PotfromKP (talk) 17:54, 25 February 2016 (UTC))

Hi PotfromKP. I recently revised the whole list with all deployments accourding to the global market research from the Global Suppliers Association (GSA). They update their "Evolution to LTE Report" four times a year (every three months). For the revision I used this quite detailled report as a primary source and additionally tried to bolster the facts with news articles from the global telecom market research and publishing agencies "TeleGeography" and "Telecompaper". A cleanup regarding outdated and unsatisfiable sources (WP:RS) was also part of this operation.
The latest GSA report is from October 2015 with a new edition to be published in a few weeks (March 2016). Obviously there are some more recent developments according 4G in Malaysia that haven't been taken notice of in the recent months.
I am of the optinion that these developments should appear in the list with reasonable and reliable sources (WP:RS). I'd like to thank you very much for the constructive input above, which I kindly take as a starting point for further detailed research and revision. Generally speaking, I feel committed to keep the list op to date, but in the recent time there were simply to many unqualified edits adding content that is either not properly sourced and/or deployments that have simply not reached any form of commercial state. Sometimes it is really not easy to figure out if the provided content is totally wrong or indeed has a background that was not provided or not found during the revision (additional research) of such edits. I tried to improve content and quality of this list with the recent major revision. I hope you understand. I'd appreciate if you grant a few days for the requested update. ;-) Nightwalker-87 (talk) 21:48, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Digi 1800 MHz launch date:
According to the source Digi takes a U-Turn, now saying 1800MHz 4G LTE available in Penang & Sarawak there was only a limited availability of 1800 MHz by May 2015. Therefore I'd rather see the news from October 2015 Digi to deploy 1,500 additional LTE sites by end-2015 (derived from Digi press release) as an announcement of commercial services. This is also the first evidence for the 1800 MHz deployment in the news history of Telecompaper. Further this deployment is not yet listed in the GSA "Evolution to LTE Report" issued October 2015. Nightwalker-87 (talk) 12:30, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Maxis LTE-A Cat.6:
I've read this press release How 4G is your 4G? but personally can't identify any commercial state of services for Cat.6 out of this source. Maxis claims to be in the process of rolling out Cat.6 services with some areas already available (soft-launch). Together with the other sources that are linked in the list already I rather have the impression that they are in the state where Digi was in May 2015 when they started rolling out their 1800 MHz service. In this case there was no official announcement by the operator until October when the service reached wider coverage. In this context I propose to keep the "pre-commercial" note until either Maxis officially announces Cat.6 services (without the subnote/context "we are rolling out") or news on the availability of a Cat.6 service appears in global market research (TeleGeography, Telecompaper, Telecoms.com, etc.) or the GSA Evolution to LTE Report March 2016, which will be published very soon. Nightwalker-87 (talk) 23:44, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

I see that all points of your request are addressed by now and the state of 4G deployment in Malaysia seems up-to-date.
Again I'd like to Thank You for the note and your constructive input. ;-) Nightwalker-87 (talk) 23:44, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

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Reverting edits on LTE networks in Asia

You keep reverting my edits for Telenor Pakistan from 5 MHz back to 10 MHz which is incorrect. Telenor was awarded 2x10 MHz which means 10 MHz downlink and 10 MHz uplink. They've split that up for 5 MHz on their Band 5 LTE and the remaining 5 MHz is being used for their HSPA+ network. The website with the source isn't even based in Pakistan and it can hardly be considered reliable. As for the 4x4 MIMO thing, that's also not true. Telenor and Zong are both falsely advertising up to 150 Mbps, but we both know that with 5 and 10 MHz chunks, those sort of speeds aren't possible. I can't even find the source for that so I don't know why you keep adding it back, since it's not true. All networks in Pakistan use 2x2 MIMO for LTE.

If you want sources, I can provide screenshots and proof off of my phone and online forums as well, but Telenor hasn't officially announced that they're using the 850 band for HSPA and LTE, but they actually are, in fact they're even testing Band 3 (1800 MHz) LTE in some areas here.

So if you could please stop reverting the edits and let people NOT be misguided by the fact that Telenor is running it's 4G on 10 MHz with 4x4 MIMO, because it isn't.

Thanks. Murtaza2000 (talk) 18:27, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Murtaza2000. First: I meant the article talk page which is the appropiate place for this topic and not the user page. Regarding the content: Yes, I reverted your edits together with always giving a reason for this. You < DO NOT PROVIDE ANY SOURCE > for what you still keep explaining to me. It does not matter where a website is hosted. This is not the point. As long as you can't proof you claim by any reliable source, you remain in conflict with WP:VER. This is not a personal opinion of my own. You say "If you want sources, I can provide screenshots and proof off of my phone and online forums as well, but Telenor hasn't officially announced that they're using the 850 band for HSPA and LTE, but they actually are, in fact they're even testing Band 3 (1800 MHz) LTE in some areas here." This is the problem, because this is also against WP:SELFPUBLISH, meaning that it does not seem to qualify as a source. If there is no official announcement by Telenor Pakistan or any newspaper article or report (from Pakistan or whereever in the world) adressing exactly the claim above what you claim as being a fact, it remains a PROBLEM for the quality level of this article.
The very most editors of this article are making strong efforts and investing time to maintain this list in accordance with the sense of wikipedia and it's guidelines.
I clearly don't see any reason why a single editor like you should prevent any other editor here from proceeding in this common intention. So if you continue to persist on your opinion unimpressed by common policies, togehter with this degree of inappropriate emotional expression I read in your lines, I will need to consider to request assistance for WP:DR. So please reconsider your actions and your approach towards other editors. Thank you for your understanding. Nightwalker-87 (talk) 18:23, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

China Mobile LTE Cat 6 network

As far as know, China Mobile does have LTE Cat 6 networks (or higher), but there is none here. I can see "4G+" or "LTE+" on my phone status bar at my location. Me476210180 (talk) 04:56, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Do you have any public source for that, apart from your personal observations? Nightwalker-87 (talk) 13:14, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Mytel Myanmar

Hi @Nightwalker-87: GSMA says that Mytel uses or plans to use 900MHz for GSM/UMTS rather than LTE. Drahtlos (talk) 14:47, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Drahtlos: [1][2][3] this is where the information derived from. I also found this after you came up with the topic:[4]. So as of now it is not quite clear which sources are right here. We'll have to wait for further, more detailled info on the offered services I suppose (though I assume that GSMA may be correct here). Nightwalker-87 (talk) 10:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)