Talk:List of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes

the anime

Both 2006 and 2009 versions are officially called "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya", though the latter version has more episodes. They are not simply the first/second seasons. While the current list may be a temporary solution, eventually the content of this article would be merged with List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes. --207.112.45.185 (talk) 07:11, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

The problem with the reairing is that it's highly unusual for new eps to be released this way. We still don't know for sure if it's officially a second season. Until the end of the series when dvd's start being announced, the episodes should be done as they are here. They should NOT be merged to Melancholy for many reasons (melancholoy is a featured list so must retain the standards that it was passed for, new eps=likely a new season, and the new eps are apparently "the disaperance of haruhi" to name 3 reasons). which is why the list was created here (and also needs haruhi-chan episodes here).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dandy Sephy (talk • contribs)

Currently, I don't believe there's anything official to refer to the new episodes as "The Disappearance"; that's merely what the fans are calling it. In the end, the content here will be merged into the primary list, most likely with a separation of the 2006 14-episode Melancholy anime, and the 2009 28-episode Melancholy anime. It'll probably have to go through an FL review after all, but really, the list is far overdue for one of those anyway. As for calling the new episodes a "new season", that also seems to be a mode of convenience for fans as KyoAni has made no distinction between the new episodes and the old ones via a new title which would usually accompany a real second season, or new series. As for how the DVDs will work, I am almost sure that KyoAni will cease the production of their previous Melancholy DVDs, and will re-release the series on new DVDs starting from episode 1 to 28. This way, new fans will be able to buy the series starting with the new DVDs and not have to find the old ones, and this way I suspect there will be more than 2 episodes per DVD (I expect at least 3 if not 4, which also makes the DVDs more affordable since you're getting more). Also, old fans that already have the DVDs from the first series won't have to buy all the new DVDs, just the ones that come with the new episodes.

If I'm right about this, then we could easily merge the old and new episodes together in a single list. This would also serve to simplify things as long as the table was restructured with different sorting parameters. This simple change would take care of the three current ways of organizing the table (B, C, and D). Namely, if they release the new DVDs like I said, then the table could be presented in that order by default (C and D), as its the easiest to verify, and then we could add a sorting key above the original date field, thus giving the option to sort the list in the order in which the episodes aired (B), giving the option to see the divide between the old and new episodes.--十八 09:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I think until the dvds are announced, any attempts to logically define what changes are/will be necessary will be premature. Even if the new episodes are merged back into the other list, there will be a dedicated attempt to do it in a proper way, rather then the mess it was starting to turn into. For example, rewriting the new episode sumamarys to a FL standard, rather then mashing non FL standard in with FL approved summarys. Thats for the future, and relys on things being clarified, all we have now is vague assumptions (like the title as you say). Conversely, KyoAni may release the new episodes under a new title, but release a boxset of both 'seasons" in broadcast/chronological/completely random order. KyoAni have made it impossible to take anything as fact with their handling of this mess. Most people would make official announcements about their plans, but KyoAni don't seem to believe in that. Either way, this "franchise" page will still be useful, the Haruhi-chan episodes for exmaple need adding. And any overhaul to the Melancholoy list really needs proper discussion. On a related note, I've seen a list of ep titles and air dates for the rest of the airing, I need to see if there is some reliable source for it. As for titles, the new ep has a different end theme doesn't it? And KyoAni could easily prepare a new opening for dvd, and used the original opening for some kind of "consistency". But I've not seen the new ep, so may be wrong.... Dandy Sephy (talk) 11:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Can't we just put the episode list in List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes into the 2006 section of List of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes and move the page to the original? - plau (talk) 15:37, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

In terms of preserving article history, it'd make more sense to merge the 2009 version into the Melancholy list, but the only reason there's opposition to that now is because that list is an FL, so adding additional content not approved for FL would be troublesome, especially when such little information is known about the new episodes.--十八 18:25, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Isn't that just letting the Featured status overtake the actual usefulness of the page (Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody has aired so its info at least should be merged into it)? It's a bit rich to say that we can't merge them just because it's featured, a victory of form and awards over function and actually being an encyclopaedia it seems. It's currently unbelievably confusing, since there's not even a note on List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes about the other page List of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes. It's the same anime, they're just breaking the normal conventions of keeping the two series separate. Heh, as if this series has ever followed conventions in episode order... --Riche (talk) 14:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

As per my commnent on the other page, KyoAni's own website still lists melancholy as 14eps (even with update copyright info) and have made no official statements regarding the new eps, all we have is rumour, guesses and a single new ep. Theres nothing stopping you improving the linking and it would have taken the same time to do as writing your complaint. The problem has been caused by KyoAni, and it will take KyoAni to actually tell us what the official stance is for anything to be truely known. Dandy Sephy (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe It's just me, but don't the descriptions of the 2nd season episodes seem a little spoilery? Perhaps just including the generak plot outline, and not the resolution would be a good idea? Just the two cents of someone who checks this page for updates on season 2, and feels spoilerized by what was expected to be a brief, spoiler-free episode outline. 118.92.150.212 (talk) 07:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:SPOILER, it's not okay to remove stuff because you think it may spoil the plot. Wikipedia is expected to have spoilers, so if you don't want to be spoiled, don't read the summaries.--十八 08:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The Melancholy of Haruhi-chan Suzumiya

For the episode list of The Melancholy of Haruhi-chan Suzumiya, where do these names come from? DVD or something else? Cause one of my friends told me that there are no title for these episodes. (Specially considering using Roman numbers like 涼宮ハルヒちゃんの憂鬱 IX).CyberSnoopy (talk) 04:22, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't even know if it's a good thing to put Haruhi-chan in here. It's not the same as the original series. Putting it here would mean we'd have to put Nyoro~n Churuya-san too... 68.5.249.111 (talk) 01:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Some info finally from Kyoto Animation

http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/haruhi/katsudou/

It seems to me as if the new order is meant to replace the old order. Even the DVD containing Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody is labeled "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 4" (it goes between the two episodes on the original DVD 4). The only distinctions on the website seem to be the separate copyright dates at the bottom, and the separation of the old and new DVDs on the product page.72.218.239.56 (talk) 22:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Endless Eight criticism

Might be a good ref for any such section: "Former Kyo-Ani Director Yamamoto puts the Haruhi Season 2 Endless Eight Arc in his own words". Yutaka Yamamoto (director), one will remember, directed the first season, so his criticism is more than a little notable. --Gwern (contribs) 03:37 21 July 2009 (GMT)

While I found that video to be extremely interesting, there's still nothing in reliable sources that talk of criticism KyoAni has received from extending the Endless Eight arc as far as they have. Plus, for him to actually answer the question by saying things like "I was against it" is typical (even if it is true), since he'd love to make himself look better than the company that forsook him.--十八 04:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I would wait till the Endless Eight arc end before creating a section about the criticism about it, since it is still "developping". Who knows, maybe there's something good in the end, if not there will be a lot more criticism all around, which can be used as source for that section of the article. I also propose not to put the criticism section in this article, but rather in the main Anime article. Jack Masamune (talk) 19:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Endless Endless Eight

I removed the recent edit that shows Endless Eight continuing through the entire year. I personally doubt that's going to occur, but if this is indeed the case, I apoligize. However, please cite where the episode listing info came from before restoring it. 69.241.122.68 (talk) 20:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It was just vandalism; thanks for reverting it.--十八 23:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I have also edited out some flame-inciting comments on the article. Example being, under episode 18, someone had posted 'GUess What happens?' even though the episode has yet to air. Though we have been stuck in this arc, Some people, like myself, have enjoyed it to some extent, and it isn't as bad as some people are complaining about.

Please keep flame inciting comments out of the article to maintain a non-biased article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.27.142 (talk) 04:32, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Removed the same vandalism, too. I know these Endless Eight episodes have taken ridiculously long, but vandalising the page is just pointless. Aaronvangeffen (talk) 15:04, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Since Endless Eight episodes have been more or less identical, I suggest merging all of its lines in the table into a single one, with the first column showing numbers of episodes (12-19, most likely), the last column showing all air dates and the middle one left for overall description of the arc. This would be much more efficient than just writing "the loop continues for Nth time" every time.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.120.191.112 (talk • contribs)

Regardless of the repetitive nature of the episodes, I really don't think merging them will help anyone, especially since conventionally all of the episodes should be kept separate to reduce confusion, like how if they are all merged, all the air dates are put into one box, making it look confusing. Not to mention that this merger has been attempted before and reverted before. I'd like to see what others think too.--十八 08:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for changing it back, I usually come to this page to find out what the next episode is, and I got confused with the merging. They also left out the July 31st date. So yeah, it's best the way it is. (And by the way, I've been enjoying every single Endless Eight episode with no complaints at all!) NewYorkStyledCheesecakes! (talk) 11:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Season 2 Nomenclature

I've included the "alternate" episode numbering that a lot of fans are using on forums and whatnot, as well as a paragraph explaining it. I thought it was worthwhile, because (speaking as a Haruhi fan and viewer) I find it irritating to have to translate from the official numbering to and from the fan numbering. The fan numbering scheme is to refer to new content as 2-X, where X is the new episode number. Hopefully, my description in the article makes it clear to the readers. I only included the fan-numbering in for the episodes that have already aired. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.202.164 (talk) 04:38, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe this could be added at this time as it constitutes original research. If, perhaps, there was some reliable, third-party source which also used a similar nomenclature, then I suppose it could work, but at this point it just looks like fans use it (this is my first time seeing any mention of it).--十八 10:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Relevance of the Light Novel

While is series is clearly based on the light novel, however, the medium is animation does not imply that it follows and must follow that of the light novel. Now, I open this up because of Sighs V. "The episode ends with a flashback to May, Kyon telling Haruhi the truth about the other Brigade members, but she does not believe him." Watching the episode, I see no indication of the final scenes as a flashback. Can anyone else check on this? KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 07:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Oddly enough, this is actually true. At the end of "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya Part 6", Kyon says he's going to tell Haruhi all about aliens, time travelers, and espers, and the clothes they are wearing are identical to the end of "Sigh Part 5".--十八 08:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

List Wrong

The episode that aired after "Sigh" had the same intro as "The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina," but is clearly not the same episode.161.253.121.168 (talk) 19:33, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

They're identical; probably you're mixing it up with Live Alive. --Unnecessary stuff (talk) 02:13, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

About the Merge Proposal

Well, this was inevitable when it was decided to have a separate list for "non-Melancholy" episodes. So, it seems someone proposed a merge. Reason to support a merge; it's the same series. The opening theme to this "second season" is explicitly labeled as "Melancholy". KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 03:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, the main thing was that the original list is featured. I propose we first send that list to WP:FAR, get it delisted, and then merge the two lists. I would also suggest removing the base list of Haruhi-chan out of this one, and just have a regular link to it in the navbox; I mean, all the episodes are named the same, except for their part numbers anyway, and it just wastes space IMO.--十八 04:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be more like, merging this page into that one as the title is "List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes". And What Haruhi-chan base list are you talking about? - plau 13:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

The base list of Haruhi-chan episodes, which was removed just recently; it didn't have any summaries like at the real list. Anyway, yeah, the title of the list should be List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes".--十八 17:37, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

It's probably worth bringing the main episode list over to this page at least. The naming's rather debateable, but until they actually make a series not called "The Melancholy of", there's no reason that can't be the title. As it is now, it's just meanless back+forth for those who want to read up on old episode descriptions whilst reading the new ones.

Unlike the primary light novel series, the entirety of the anime adaptation is titled "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya". This means the FL List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes is the proper target article. Information on secondary air dates can be easily incorporated into the table. Information on the out-of-order 2006 broadcast should be segregated from the summaries. One could interpret the chronological 2009 airing as Kyoto Animation's "final" version of the series, such as the way it retold and re-aired Munto. This type of merge will also allow for the delisting for the FL list more easily. Arsonal (talk) 00:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 2009

I'm starting to see sites label this new "season" addressed as such. From MyAnimeList [[1]], there's a claim of the label "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 2009" coming from KyoAni. If this is verified, then it's grounds for a direct merge from this article to the first. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 14:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

They both share the same title; the years 2006 and 2009 are just used to distinguish the original 14 episodes from the newer episodes. I support the merger.--十八 19:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)