Talk:Lisa the Iconoclast/GA1

GA Review

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"Firstly, I did not tame the legendary buffalo. It was already tame, I merely shot it."

— Hans Sprungfeld

The article does not have serious issues that would warrant a quick-fail.

Checking against GA criteria

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose):

   • The prose is clear and the spelling and grammar are correct.

   b (MoS):

   • Looks good.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references):

   b (citations to reliable sources):

   c (OR):

   • See below.  Done

3. It is broad in its scope.

   a (major aspects):

   b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   • See below.  Done

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):

   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   • On hold pending improvements.  Done

Issues

Plot

"Historical Society" is linked on its second occurrence. The first sentence of the last para is rather long.

 Done

Production

The following sentence: "This is essentially the same story with Lisa as the woman", makes it sound like Wikipedia is stating an opinion, when it is in fact the source that states this (I assume).

 Done

"Sutherland wanted to ... start in the middle of the script, so that he could get to know the character". This I do not understand. How would starting in the middle of the script help Sutherland getting to know the character? Does the source elaborate on this?

Unfortunately, no. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

"He ad-libbed the part with the illness "Chester Arthuritis" and the producers liked it so much that they kept it." Should probably be "Chester A. Arthur-itis", or similar. The sentence assumes that the reader is familiar with the part, which may not be the case, since it is not otherwise mentioned in the article. Also, the part was spoken by Yeardley Smith, not Sutherland. Did he come up her comeback as well? Please elaborate, if possible.

Done. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Cultural references

"In the Historical Society there is a will of Howard Hughes and diaries of Adolf Hitler, which are genuine forgeries." There's a tiny bit of original research here. The cited source doesn't support this statement.

The source says "The Howard Hughes will and the Hitler diaries were genuine forgeries, but there's never been a retraction of the emancipation proclamation." Isn't that enough? TheLeftorium 15:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I should have been more specific. The forgeries are not shown, merely mentioned in passing by Hurlbut. That they are actually in the Historical Society's possession was the OR bit. decltype (talk) 15:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done

"Homer's dream in which Washington and Springfield are fighting barefooted is a reference to Lethal Weapon." This was Lisa's dream, according to the plot summary.

They are not the same dreams. TheLeftorium 15:46, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Upon re-checking: There is a flashback sequence that shows a fight between Sprungfeld and Washington. I'd say it's either supposed to be canonical, or merely Homer's imagination, but I don't think it qualifies as a dream. But it is not a barefoot fight! In Lisa's dream, Sprungfeld is hurled out the window by a barefoot George Washington. decltype (talk) 15:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Is it better now? TheLeftorium 16:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, actually, I still think it's Lisa's dream that references Lethal Weapon, and not Homer's flashback (of sorts). Apart from that, you've made good changes. That said, I do not have access to the reference, and if it says that it is in fact the other fight that references the film, then your amendments are good. decltype (talk) 17:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

This source also (sort of) says it's Homer's dream that references Lethal Weapon ("Homer's fantasy of the fight between Sprungfeld and George Washington, replete with action movie clichés, is fantastic"). TheLeftorium 19:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I just checked, Lisa's dream that references Lethal Weapon. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Reception

Would it be possible to provide an additional critical commentary for this episode, preferably paraphrased? It currently consists primarily of two quotations.

 Done

Conclusion

Overall, the article is not far from what seems to be the GA standard for TV episodes. The plot is nicely summarized, and the article is otherwise interesting, well-referenced, and neutrally written. If the issues above are corrected (or refuted) within a reasonable time, I'll be happy to list it. decltype (talk) 15:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, seems like everything is in order, then. I have done a minor ce, hopefully without introducing errors. I'll list the article shortly. Good work everyone involved. decltype (talk) 12:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)