Talk:Linda Martell/GA1

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GA Review

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Reviewer: SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 03:35, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

I'll take this one. Expect initial comments within a few days. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:35, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Let's begin with infobox and lead section assessments.

Infobox

• File:Linda Martell.jpg has subpar lighting where Linda's hair blends in with the background. I recommend using something else.
  • @SNUGGUMS: I switched this photograph with one from the body of the article. It actually fits better I think. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
    • No objections to that SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 01:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
• Using "1974" seems misleading when she hasn't entirely left music, even if much of her activity since then has been non-musical.
  • @SNUGGUMS: I changed it to 2011, since that is when she gave her last public performance. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Lead

• Don't use genre in opening sentence as you've currently done. It would be better to just say "an American singer" before using subsequent sentences to discuss the type of music she has worked with.
• The producer from "an introduction to a producer who signed her to his Nashville label" should be mentioned by name, and same goes for "manager" from "a series of business conflicts with her manager"
• "Over the next several decades she lived in various states" seems like it's missing a comma after "decades"
• "switched careers"..... be specific
  • @SNUGGUMS: Fixed all of these suggestions. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I'll be back with more later. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:34, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Early years

• Are the names of her siblings known?
  • @SNUGGUMS: No. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• The use of "but" from "She sang gospel music at church but was also drawn to country music" makes it sound like these interests are mutually exclusive, which isn't the case, so I'd use "and" instead.
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• This doesn't say anything about "The Angelos" at all, though it does mention birth city unlike what you've currently used for such detail
• "Local DJ, Charles “Big Saul” Greene"..... A local DJ known as, and use straight quotation marks (",') instead of curly ones (”,’) per MOS:CURLY
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

The rest will probably be done section-by-section. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Career

1962–69: R&B beginnings and musical shift

• Four digits are preferred for years as more complete and professional than two digits
• While this does mention that "A Little Tear (Was Falling from My Eyes)" didn't get promoted, it doesn't say or even suggest that this was why it wasn't successful. Just note its lack of success without bringing in an unsupported implication.
• "Despite limited success" gives a false impression that success levels have anything to do with performance frequency (people can play music live without making much or any money from that)
• Move File:Linda Martell--Ebony.jpg towards the top of this subsection so it doesn't leak into the next one. On another note, I'm not seeing any copyright issues with it.

• • @SNUGGUMS: All sections are done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Up next will be the 1969–1974 period. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:25, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

1969–74: Country music success

• See my previous comment on four digits vs. two digits
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• No qualms with File:Linda Martell--Opry 2.jpg
• The use of "hit" from and "pop hit", "became a hit", and "crossover hit" is subpar tone. It also sounds misleading to base this assessment off of a component chart ranking unless it also did well on a nation's primary chart (which is what represents overall popularity within a territory)
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• Capitalize the "m" for AllMusic
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• This does give a chart peak, but says nothing about when "Bad Case of the Blues" was released.
  • @SNUGGUMS: I added the reference from a book that covers that.
• There's an extra space between the period following "The Bill Anderson Show and Hee Haw in 1970" and ref#15
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• "You’re" from "You’re gonna run into hecklers" should be "You're" per MOS:CURLY
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Not too bad so far. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 15:25, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

1975–present: Other music opportunities and career switch

• "so she could be closer" → "to be closer"
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• Again, the use of "hits" isn't recommended. Use "songs" or "music" instead as more professional terms.
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Pretty good section overall. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 15:39, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Artistry and influence

• File:Linda Martell--Color Him Father--audio.ogg is too long per WP:SAMPLE at 24 seconds long for a track that runs for 160 seconds (which equals 2 minutes and 40 seconds). Audio clips of songs should never exceed 10% of its duration (with 30 seconds being the absolute maximum).
• More MOS:CURLY with "It’s" from "It's still a thing today"
  • @SNUGGUMS: That's disappointing. I guess it is too short in length. I removed it. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• Is the "first black artists to have commercial success" more based on show performances (where she broke racial barriers with the Grand Ole Opry)? That seems like a more accurate gauge for popularity than using component charts.
  • @SNUGGUMS: No, actually it is an accurate gauge. Prior to Martell's success only Charley Pride was comparable. Previously, DeFord Bailey had appeared on the Grand Ole Opry but did not have commercial success. Martell is the first black country female performer to have a charting single (these songs reached the national charts). ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Getting closer to the end. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 15:52, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Personal life

• Rolling Stone doesn't specify when Martell had kids with Thompson
• Are the names of her children known?
  • @SNUGGUMS: No. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• "where she remains today"..... see WP:RELTIME
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Discography

• Did her material enter any other album/song charts, primary or component?
  • @SNUGGUMS: No, these are it. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• If known, I'd specify when in August 1970 the Color Me Country album was released.
  • @SNUGGUMS: It's not known or else I would have included it. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• Per WP:USERG and WP:ALBUMAVOID, Discogs is an untrustworthy reference when full of user-generated content. Try to find a stronger source.
  • @SNUGGUMS: I used the vinyl single as a reference with the original ID number. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

References

• See my previous comment on AllMusic, which shouldn't be italicized.
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• Remove the italics for "The Autr.org" (which should read Autry Museum of the American West), NPR, National Museum of African American Music
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done (except for NMAAM...the citation automatically italicizes and I am not sure how to fix it). ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
• Use dates of publication whenever possible (a few are missing)
  • @SNUGGUMS: I only listed the publication dates on the ones that existed on the source. They were missing from the website. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

External links

• Even though using Discogs for an EL isn't as bad as a source for any claims (particularly contentious ones), I wouldn't recommend having it here
  • @SNUGGUMS: Done. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Overall

• Prose: Some copyediting is needed
• Referencing: Not all content is sufficiently attributed, and certain citations aren't properly formatted
• Coverage: A bit more detail could be given on family
• Neutrality: I couldn't find any bias
• Stability: Looks good
• Media: One questionable image, and the audio sample needs to be reduced or removed entirely
• Verdict: Placing the nomination on hold for seven days. I believe my concerns can be resolved within that time. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:03, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

@SNUGGUMS: I will revise this today and tomorrow. Thanks! ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 12:53, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

My pleasure, and I look forward to seeing your improvements :) SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 12:59, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@SNUGGUMS: Thank you for your suggestions and constructive criticism! I went ahead and made all the changes I could make. Please see above. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I did a bit of copyediting and adjusted some citations here. It's now GA-worthy, so congrats on getting this up to par! SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 01:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.